Everything I hate about Airbus was epitomized by the A-320 flying into the trees in Toulouse and AF447, the 330 with the frozen pitot tubes.
Airbus has engineered pilot intelligence out of its products. This is suitable for pilots lacking intelligence. |
Originally Posted by mooneymite
(Post 2575993)
Everything I hate about Airbus was epitomized by the A-320 flying into the trees in Toulouse and AF447, the 330 with the frozen pitot tubes.
Airbus has engineered pilot intelligence out of its products. This is suitable for pilots lacking intelligence. |
Originally Posted by Jetlife
(Post 2575995)
Fairly hypocritical statement. If the airplane was suitable for those lacking intelligence, AF447 would have never happened, same as the bird going into the trees in Toulouse. People fear what they don't understand. Take all the crap away, its just an airplane.
But...for many it is an emotional issue. Fords and Chevys. Farmal/John Deere. Redskins/Cowboys. Facts simply don't matter. |
Originally Posted by mooneymite
(Post 2576002)
Neither of those accidents would have taken place in anything other than an Airbus. Pilots have a strong will to survive, but have no chance in an aircraft designed to eliminate them.
But...for many it is an emotional issue. Fords and Chevys. Farmal/John Deere. Redskins/Cowboys. Facts simply don't matter. This is also a topic for another discussion. |
Originally Posted by mooneymite
(Post 2576002)
Neither of those accidents would have taken place in anything other than an Airbus. Pilots have a strong will to survive, but have no chance in an aircraft designed to eliminate them.
But...for many it is an emotional issue. Fords and Chevys. Farmal/John Deere. Redskins/Cowboys. Facts simply don't matter. |
Originally Posted by Flyfalcons
(Post 2576075)
Pulling a jet into a steep climb in the upper 30's is going to stall it, no matter who built it. And holding full nose-up control is going to keep it the.
This accident could have only happened in an Airbus, or an airplane flown by a single idiot. The Airbus dialed out the experience and proficiency of two seasoned Air France pilots. Only Airbus. |
Originally Posted by mooneymite
(Post 2576102)
The problem would have never gotten to the point it did had the cockpit been equipped with standard controls. Both the captain and the second pilot would have immediately recognized that the relief pilot was holding full back stick. The corrective down elevator would have been applied without a computer averaging the inputs from two pilots.
This accident could have only happened in an Airbus, or an airplane flown by a single idiot. The Airbus dialed out the experience and proficiency of two seasoned Air France pilots. Only Airbus. |
Let's not pretend the whole "one moron pilot outsmarts more experienced pilots" is just an Airbus thing. Plenty of bad things have happened in other types that can be attributed to a single bad pilot in the cockpit.
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Originally Posted by mooneymite
(Post 2576102)
The problem would have never gotten to the point it did had the cockpit been equipped with standard controls. Both the captain and the second pilot would have immediately recognized that the relief pilot was holding full back stick. The corrective down elevator would have been applied without a computer averaging the inputs from two pilots.
This accident could have only happened in an Airbus, or an airplane flown by a single idiot. The Airbus dialed out the experience and proficiency of two seasoned Air France pilots. Only Airbus. The Airbus cannot be stalled in normal law, period. They were in alternate law because of the momentary loss of pitot tube information. I say momentary because it came back like 30 seconds later. They then spent the next 4 minutes flying a perfectly good airplane into the ocean because they forgot how to actually fly an airplane. It had NOTHNG to do the controls of the airplane. The pilots forgot to fly, end of story. The inputs they did would have netted the same result in any airplane with a yoke. |
Originally Posted by mooneymite
(Post 2576002)
But...for many it is an emotional issue. Fords and Chevys. Farmal/John Deere. Redskins/Cowboys. Facts simply don't matter. |
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