Originally Posted by Toonces
(Post 2458534)
It is an interesting quandary. Our POI would disagree, and the document you posted sums it up nicely at the end.
“In summary, the person who is pilot-in-command may log PIC, others may also log PIC depending on the circumstances.” I did a pretty exhaustive search of the FAA legal interpretations and couldn’t find an exact case that covers this. However, I think you would be hard pressed to find a FSDO that would not allow the PIC designated by a certificate holder to not log PIC if he is not physically manipulating the controls on a company assigned flight. (Apologies for the triple negative) I read about a case of enforcement action involving two pilots in a King Air 200 and the logging vs acting of PIC, but I couldn’t find the actual document. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Write the POI then, get a LOI and you can go down in history as the guy who put this debate to bed forever! At the end of the day it's kind of an unimportant debate because the FAA only really cares about logging towards a rating and once you have 1500 hours you're not getting closer to another rating. The airlines would all certainly count it as PIC. It's kind of a fun thought exercise. |
As that "thought exercise", a few weeks ago I sat down with a Flight Standards guy and had this very discussion. He agreed that the P135 PIC (on the dispatch/manifest, etc...) could log 'Acting PIC' while the SIC could log PIC as sole manipulator on P91 legs. A co-worker, and former ASI, disagreed with him. We went back to the office and did some more searching and my co-worker has now changed his opinion on what he found to agree with the Flight Standards guy. I didn't keep a copy of what he found which changed his mind, but I'll ask him about it. Just another datapoint in this on-going debate.
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
(Post 2458554)
As that "thought exercise", a few weeks ago I sat down with a Flight Standards guy and had this very discussion. He agreed that the P135 PIC (on the dispatch/manifest, etc...) could log 'Acting PIC' while the SIC could log PIC as sole manipulator on P91 legs. A co-worker, and former ASI, disagreed with him. We went back to the office and did some more searching and my co-worker has now changed his opinion on what he found to agree with the Flight Standards guy. I didn't keep a copy of what he found which changed his mind, but I'll ask him about it. Just another datapoint in this on-going debate.
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
(Post 2458556)
No question they can log it on part 135! I'm only talking about the 91 repo legs.
The PIC logging PIC (acting PIC) and the SIC logging PIC (sole manipulator) on P91 legs. |
Just out of curiosity
Doesn't your 135 company manual say somewhere that you will operate all legs as 135 with the following exceptions? Ex. 135 O2 requirements. 135 communication requirements? Or 135 landing distance requirements? If so then all your legs are actually 135 and you can reduce them to 91 mins if it states that you can.
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Originally Posted by bjtdrvr
(Post 2458805)
Doesn't your 135 company manual say somewhere that you will operate all legs as 135 with the following exceptions? Ex. 135 O2 requirements. 135 communication requirements? Or 135 landing distance requirements? If so then all your legs are actually 135 and you can reduce them to 91 mins if it states that you can.
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How many street captains are they getting every month?
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Interviews in Daytona
Morning folks, anyone headed to Daytona for the onsite interviews on the 8th and 9th? I think I might head up that way and check things out. Can anyone tell me what these onsite events are like. I assume it will be a very similar setup as the HQ locations with a HR segment, a Tech segment, and potentially a sim session? If so, do you all know what the sim is to be used. I have never actually spent any time in a sim and was wondering what they used in case I could find one around south Florida to check out before I would head up there later next week?
Thanks all KC |
Originally Posted by kcartwright27
(Post 2460374)
Morning folks, anyone headed to Daytona for the onsite interviews on the 8th and 9th? I think I might head up that way and check things out. Can anyone tell me what these onsite events are like. I assume it will be a very similar setup as the HQ locations with a HR segment, a Tech segment, and potentially a sim session? If so, do you all know what the sim is to be used. I have never actually spent any time in a sim and was wondering what they used in case I could find one around south Florida to check out before I would head up there later next week?
Thanks all KC Good luck. |
I have been searching through 100 pages and haven't bump into how many hours FO is averaging. :confused::o
Any help would be appreciated. THX |
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