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tanker 08-06-2019 04:01 AM


Originally Posted by Deluth16 (Post 2865141)
How much can a first year FO expect to take home on average?

Without OT a first year FO can expect $34,000 in salary and $10,000 in per diem. Take home pay depends on your Federal and State taxes and how much you put into the 401K.

Deluth16 08-06-2019 05:56 AM

Thanks Tanker for the professional response.

CJflyer74 08-13-2019 12:29 PM

Recent interview experiences with PlaneSense
 
Hello, PlaneSense crews...

Just wondering if anyone would care to share about any recent interview experiences with PlaneSense. Is the progression from a phone or Skype interview to an in-person interview in Portsmouth, NH? Any sim check? Thanks!

tanker 08-15-2019 05:04 AM

When I did my interview last summer as a DEC I only did the in house interview and sim. My sim was in the Mission Fit (an FTD of the PC-12NG) and it’s my understanding that all sims will be in the Mission Fit.

JMO127 08-15-2019 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by tanker (Post 2870526)
When I did my interview last summer as a DEC I only did the in house interview and sim. My sim was in the Mission Fit (an FTD of the PC-12NG) and it’s my understanding that all sims will be in the Mission Fit.

The mission fit is not a good FTD. Careers are ruined with that thing. $3M they paid and it's just not a good FTD. They tried doing "checkrides" in it and everyone was washing out. It's pretty for what it is, a flow trainer. Touch function is off the charts bad. Just my opinion.

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CJflyer74 08-15-2019 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by JMO127 (Post 2870535)
The mission fit is not a good FTD. Careers are ruined with that thing. $3M they paid and it's just not a good FTD. They tried doing "checkrides" in it and everyone was washing out. It's pretty for what it is, a flow trainer. Touch function is off the charts bad. Just my opinion.

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That FTD, the Mission Fit, sounds like it would be fine for someone that has been in the PC-12 recently, but probably a bit quirky for someone that hasn't been in the aircraft for a while.

JMO127 08-15-2019 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by CJflyer74 (Post 2870894)
That FTD, the Mission Fit, sounds like it would be fine for someone that has been in the PC-12 recently, but probably a bit quirky for someone that hasn't been in the aircraft for a while.

Exactly. That's the statement I made when I said careers were killed because of it. Mainly DEC.

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CJflyer74 08-15-2019 08:28 PM


Originally Posted by JMO127 (Post 2870923)
Exactly. That's the statement I made when I said careers were killed because of it. Mainly DEC.

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So, since you say mainly direct entry captains... Is it fair to say that first officer applicants might be given a little more leeway on the FTD check?

JMO127 08-15-2019 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by CJflyer74 (Post 2870946)
So, since you say mainly direct entry captains... Is it fair to say that first officer applicants might be given a little more leeway on the FTD check?

No. Not at all. A red bird is easy. It's what I did mine in/on. Rather a table top version of a red bird. Then a full size red bird for initial IFR checkouts. In my opinion, it's a nice piece of equipment. As an FO, you must pass a couple of "checkrides" before you are allowed to go to Dallas for the real sim. A lot weren't getting through. EC and the brass felt it was weeding out weaker candidates before wasting time and $ for the Level D at FSI. It's more of a procedures trainer, practice approaches, callouts, overall CRM training, flows, checklists or introduction to the avionics. 16-18 days in PSM, then another 7 in Dallas for a 12 is a bit much. I personally think PSI, GA, RT should have used the 3M and put that towards their own Level D PC 12 Sim. 3M only gets you a quarter of the way, but huge savings with training, travel, etc.

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Toonces 08-16-2019 04:04 AM


Originally Posted by JMO127 (Post 2870953)
16-18 days in PSM, then another 7 in Dallas for a 12 is a bit much. I personally think PSI, GA, RT should have used the 3M and put that towards their own Level D PC 12 Sim. 3M only gets you a quarter of the way, but huge savings with training, travel, etc.


It’s a nice thought, but the mission fit is dirt cheap to operate compared to a Level D sim. Initial cost is high, but it works how it is intended to work and has lower recurring costs.

I doubt that “careers were ruined” as a result of using the mission fit. The mission fit does not substitute any portion of the checkride; it shouldn’t be reported in a PRIA request by a future air carrier.


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