I'll bite. Never worked for a regional but applied and was accepted at two; decided I didn't want to commute.
Originally Posted by David Puddy
(Post 2065794)
Sorry, not trying to be disrespectful, but I don't get the attraction to Planesense for new FOs. Regional alternatives are not perfect, but the hiring conditions have never been this attractive for new ATPs....
Originally Posted by David Puddy
(Post 2065794)
These days, get 1500 hours and you have plenty of alternatives to a Pilatus job paying $30K. Get a signing bonus, typically several basing choices and, in some lucky cases, go fly an E175 or CR9 with a flow-through (career path) to a legacy. You don't have to pick a default crappy regional these days - they are all improving their terms and scrambling for pilots. If terms suck, fewer pilots will apply or stay...
Originally Posted by David Puddy
(Post 2065794)
Again, not a slam on Planesense which is a growing, established operator on the East Coast (the PC-24 will be cool). Just trying to understand the thought process and considerations for potential newbies.
Originally Posted by David Puddy
(Post 2065794)
Can someone who has recently made the jump from a regional to Planesense elaborate on the attraction of a PC12 FO job versus today's various regional alternatives? With many more choices these days, what makes Planesense a good place to work vs the alternatives?
As someone who has contemplated changing directions and going to a regional, one of the biggest obstacles is the change in lifestyle. I've had a lot of jobs and this one is pretty decent. Considering where I live, this job offers me better opportunities for now. Until I can get a much larger raise in pay and benefits, it's hard to justify. I have talked to many people who feel the same way. The job fits them well for where they are in their life. |
Originally Posted by David Puddy
(Post 2065794)
someone who has recently made the jump from a regional to Planesense elaborate on the attraction of a PC12 FO job versus today's various regional alternatives?
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Originally Posted by KaizerShizer
(Post 2066738)
... made the jump last year after being displaced from my home base to an outstation base in a less than desirable city at regional Brand X. QOL improvement was 150% for me not having to sweat a commute and dodge the reserve bubble or worry about paying for commuter hotels in aforementioned outstation regional base. With the Sunday start cycle override I was making a little more than what I was here at PS on 1st year than at Brand X on 2nd year pay (plus per-diem was almost 2x than Brand X). I rarely saw 6 days off in a row at the regional and was almost never able to commute to my crappy little outstation base on day 1 or make a commute home on the last day of my trip after RTB at midnight+ (FedEx was a big help though). Also, after taking all the commuting expense out of my financial equation I managed to get myself out of credit card debt after 7 months on the job here which has been a big relief. Aside form all the other internal griping day-to-day over operations, and a few other 121 perks that are absent from this operation; the biggest issue I have now with PS is this slime-ball $10,000 training contract in order to upgrade here which has me under serious consideration to hold my nose and get back the regional grind. KS
Upgrade... If something better comes along move on... If not keep going... There very little value career wise to sit in the right seat there. The value comes from moving over. |
I can't believe they are making people sign training contracts to upgrade....
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Originally Posted by HwkrPlt
(Post 2066915)
I can't believe they are making people sign training contracts to upgrade....
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Originally Posted by feltf4
(Post 2066892)
You won't have to pay it back...
Upgrade... If something better comes along move on... If not keep going... There very little value career wise to sit in the right seat there. The value comes from moving over. This ^^^^ |
Originally Posted by feltf4
(Post 2066892)
You won't have to pay it back...
Upgrade... If something better comes along move on... If not keep going... There very little value career wise to sit in the right seat there. The value comes from moving over. |
Originally Posted by David Puddy
(Post 2065794)
Sorry, not trying to be disrespectful, but I don't get the attraction to Planesense for new FOs. Regional alternatives are not perfect, but the hiring conditions have never been this attractive for new ATPs....
These days, get 1500 hours and you have plenty of alternatives to a Pilatus job paying $30K. Get a signing bonus, starting pay is better than it used to be (upgrades with better pay could be faster than in the past), typically several basing choices (or the ability to bid a different base in a few months) and, in some cases, go fly an E175 or CR7/9 with a flow-through (career path) to a legacy. Not perfect, but Envoy and PSA come to mind for flow-throughs. And you don't have to pick a default crappy regional these days - they are all improving their terms and scrambling for pilots. Piedmont and Commutair, for example, have made some big changes in their offers lately. If terms suck, fewer pilots will apply or stay... Again, not a slam on Planesense which is a growing, established operator on the East Coast (the PC-24 will be cool). Just trying to understand the thought process and considerations for potential newbies. Can someone who has recently made the jump from a regional to Planesense elaborate on the attraction of a PC12 FO job versus today's various regional alternatives? Airlines aren't for everyone... But with many more choices these days, what makes Planesense a good place to work vs the alternatives? What do you like about your job? Why would a regional FO would go there now? Well a good portion of the pilots are DWC grads. Most of the guy/gals were locals and didn't want to live anywhere else. The only other big option up there being Cape Air. So that holds a lot of value and it looks like the Captain pay now tops out at $85,000, not baller money, but you can pay the bills on it, especially if you move up into rural NH or Maine. I'll also point out that 8/6 is an awesome schedule. I would kill for that in my current gig. |
Originally Posted by David Puddy
(Post 2065794)
Sorry, not trying to be disrespectful, but I don't get the attraction to Planesense for new FOs. Regional alternatives are not perfect, but the hiring conditions have never been this attractive for new ATPs....
These days, get 1500 hours and you have plenty of alternatives to a Pilatus job paying $30K. Get a signing bonus, starting pay is better than it used to be (upgrades with better pay could be faster than in the past), typically several basing choices (or the ability to bid a different base in a few months) and, in some cases, go fly an E175 or CR7/9 with a flow-through (career path) to a legacy. Not perfect, but Envoy and PSA come to mind for flow-throughs. And you don't have to pick a default crappy regional these days - they are all improving their terms and scrambling for pilots. Piedmont and Commutair, for example, have made some big changes in their offers lately. If terms suck, fewer pilots will apply or stay... Again, not a slam on Planesense which is a growing, established operator on the East Coast (the PC-24 will be cool). Just trying to understand the thought process and considerations for potential newbies. Can someone who has recently made the jump from a regional to Planesense elaborate on the attraction of a PC12 FO job versus today's various regional alternatives? Airlines aren't for everyone... But with many more choices these days, what makes Planesense a good place to work vs the alternatives? What do you like about your job? Why would a regional FO would go there now? Well a good portion of the pilots are DWC grads. Most of the guy/gals are locals and don't want to live anywhere else. The only other big option up there being Cape Air. So that holds a lot of value and it looks like the Captain pay now tops out at $85,000, not baller money, but you can pay the bills on it, especially if you move up into rural NH or Maine. I'll also point out that 8/6 is an awesome schedule. I would kill for that in my current gig. So is it a stretch for a senior regional FO to go to PS? Yeah, but I could see the draw for some people... |
Maybe it's just me, but 8/6 doesn't sound that great. 7/7 would sound better for the pay there.
Year 1 at a regional I had almost half the year off and made about $30K. This year I'll make between $40K and $45K and I average about 13-15 nights home every month. With the pay increases at the regionals, and some even starting at over $50K year one for FOs, I don't know why young guys would come to PlaneSense to get Pilatus time. But that's just me. I considered PlaneSense a couple years ago. Now I'm glad I did not end up working there. And none of this is to say that it isn't a good company, because by all accounts they are pretty good. I have friends there who like it. But all of them are trying to get out and not many people care about single engine turbine time. Some have ended up in the right seat of a regional jet. The same right seat they tried to avoid by going to PlaneSense. |
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