Originally Posted by Ifly4funnow (Post 2061538)

Keep in mind that it's very common to start at 4am on day 1 and finish up around midnight on day 8. It really is NOT very common. Yes it's possible due to how our duty is set up, but calling it very common would be an exaggeration.Eight days is way too long to keep a crew on the road. 8 days does get old after awhileUpgrades are "merit" which means never complain about anything, ever.Sounds like somebody got passed over for upgrade? Where do you come up with this stuff? Seriously. I have complained about handfuls of things over the years, including directly to the CP and DO. Maybe I just know how to bring up issues like a professional and not come off as a whiny little pilot.

If you're planning on the Florida bases you might want to review the history of those bases during the last slow down, they disappeared.Yes in 2008/2009 we closed down the only Florida base in FXE. We had maybe 8 or so pilots that were allowed to move to other bases if they wanted. Crummy situation for those guys/gals for sure. Management made a business decision that a FL base wasn't working at the time.

Finally remember flying a single engine turboprop is career suicide unless you already have lots of experience. Get your time and get out. If you stick around too long no one will ever hire you. There are lots of guys there that have been trying to get out for years but they can't afford the pay cut.You definitely like the extreme exaggerations don't you? "Career suicide","no one will ever hire you":What happened to you man? Did the company not upgrade you fast enough due to your merit? Was flying a PC12 career suicide for you? I know dozens of other people flying every size aircraft imaginable that somehow managed to avoid "career suicide" with all of their PC12 time. You claim so many things to be fact that are just completely wrong. You have 8 posts on this website and every single one is either complaining about the company like a whiny toddler, or somewhat gleefully posting about a very serious accident. And no I'm not a cool aid drinker that thinks this company is perfect, far from it. I think the company could improve in many areas and many people have pointed those out in earlier posts in this thread. But dang man, you just come off as somebody with a grudge. Maybe you should tell everybody your first hand account of your experience with the company and how you feel they wronged YOU. I'm very intrigued to find out where all this animosity comes from. Enlighten us, please.

Good Luck

Originally Posted by Toonces (Post 2061659)

<----3rd most bitter guy ever to leave planesense

Don't listen to this guy. If you're new to the industry, this job will teach you a lot and set you up well for the rest of your career. If you've been around the block, there's a lot of things the company does well that put other operators to shame.

If you're worried about being on the road for 8 days, don't bother showing up. Anecdotally, I spend about 20% of my work cycles on the road for eight days. The winter is slow, but in the last month I've worked 7 days.

It's completely true that flying a single engine turboprop is career suicide. There are people flying the Pilatus all over the world who hang their head in shame and wonder how they will face their children on their deathbed. Fast food workers usually spit in their french fries and loan sharks marvel at their lack of morals and conviction. It's basically akin to getting a DUI, only worse - you can get hired at a 121 airline with a DUI, but not with time in a Pilatus.

Originally Posted by Ifly4funnow (Post 2061538)

Keep in mind that it's very common to start at 4am on day 1 and finish up around midnight on day 8. Eight days is way too long to keep a crew on the road. Upgrades are "merit" which means never complain about anything, ever.

If you're planning on the Florida bases you might want to review the history of those bases during the last slow down, they disappeared.

Finally remember flying a single engine turboprop is career suicide unless you already have lots of experience. Get your time and get out. If you stick around too long no one will ever hire you. There are lots of guys there that have been trying to get out for years but they can't afford the pay cut.

Good Luck

Originally Posted by Docflyer (Post 2061667)

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Originally Posted by Ifly4funnow (Post 2061538)

Finally remember flying a single engine turboprop is career suicide unless you already have lots of experience. Get your time and get out. If you stick around too long no one will ever hire you.

Originally Posted by HwkrPlt (Post 2062470)

The only people "stuck" at PS are the ones that want to be stuck at PS. They're not willing to leave the comfort zone of a 8/6 schedule, and semi-decent money. I was willing to take the leap, and I've doubled my income in 2 years.

Originally Posted by David Puddy (Post 2062509)

Career suicide flying the PC-12? No way! Plenty of regionals hiring - including those with a flow-through to a major. Instant career path! If you have the hours you can also upgrade faster on nice equipment. There are more options these days.

Originally Posted by Ifly4funnow (Post 2063361)

I think you’re made my point. Simply put if someone wishes to advance their career, they would be far wiser to do so by operating multiengine jet or turboprop equipment as soon as they can. Single engine time has limited value (yes my opinion). Many corporations that operate jet aircraft will not hire them without substantial multiengine time. This is due to many reasons but most often their insurance will not allow it. Certainly a jump to a major airline would be difficult without lots of multiengine time. The Regional’s are a different story but that simply makes my point. If a pilot has 4 or 5 years experience operating a single TP I’m guessing their salary will be in the 60k range. Making a jump to a Regional will be more difficult due to the large pay cut they’ll need to take. It would be far easier to get your 1500 hours and make the transition then.

Originally Posted by David Puddy (Post 2063581)

if you have decent hours you can upgrade faster at a regional and make more money. Plus, some are offering hiring bonuses these days. If you make the move, I would personally focus on those offering a flow-through agreement to the majors like Piedmont, PSA or Envoy to AA. Again, you guys have more options than in the past....

Originally Posted by captfavreau (Post 2064164)

yah they pay aint SUPER to START, ill be taking a 10K a year hit, BUT, its sure gonna be better then teaching steep turns and stalls all day

Originally Posted by NYGiants (Post 2064383)

What flight school are you teaching at that you'd take a 10k hit by going to planesense? I got about a 20k increase, you'll get about $8k+ in per diem for the year in addition to salary.

I personally think for the equipment, operation and hours we work, the starting pay is very fair.