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12-06-2022, 05:52 AM

#121

MinRest

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Originally Posted by Gilligan13

How many hours can you work in a day?

14 at NJA.

12-06-2022, 05:56 AM

#122

MinRest

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Originally Posted by loganeich

If you make it to one of the big three airlines, how much time in a row can you get off with lower seniority. Is getting 2-3 weeks off in a row even a possibility.

Depends on how often you want to get 2-3 weeks off. With som seniority and PBS bidding you can get 2 week off blocks every month pretty easily. 3 weeks would have to be timed with the previous month (2 weeks off at the end of the month with 1 week off at the beginning of the next) or when you have vacation. Certainly not impossible, especially if you fly wide body.

12-06-2022, 06:23 AM

#123

Deserthusker

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Originally Posted by MinRest

14 at NJA.

How many hours can YOU work?

12-06-2022, 06:43 AM

#124

jtf560

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Originally Posted by MinRest

14 at NJA.

We can go 20 hours with 4 pilots augmented. 24 hours off after if over 16. Surely NetJets averages longer duty days than the airlines, other than crews that only do long haul. Unfortunately, I don't see this ever changing.

12-06-2022, 07:31 AM

#125

MinRest

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Originally Posted by Deserthusker

How many hours can YOU work?

117 is a bit more dynamic but I usually CAN work 14 hours. I couldn't tell you the last time I saw a 14 hour duty day, or anything beyond 12. The work is much harder at NJA during the duty period, that is for sure.

12-06-2022, 07:32 AM

#126

MinRest

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Originally Posted by jtf560

Yea I was just referencing typical 2 crew duty day as that is what the majority will see, but thanks for adding augmented crew stuff. I never dealt with that there.

12-06-2022, 09:56 AM

#127

AirBear

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MinRest

14 at NJA.

14 is FAA max, but does the contract still provide 30 minutes for putting the jet to bed? When I was there the max was really 13:30 unless you wanted to be a team player and ignore that.
I was rarely scheduled to 13:30 but late arriving owners and wx issues would cause us to go to the max. I remember we weren't supposed to takeoff if you would break 13:30/14:00 enroute. Came into play at busy airports like TEB.

12-06-2022, 07:32 PM

#128

Gilligan13

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Does life get better when you upgrade to a large cabin aircraft at NJA?

12-06-2022, 08:38 PM

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AirBear

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Originally Posted by Gilligan13

Does life get better when you upgrade to a large cabin aircraft at NJA?

For the most part, yes. A pilot from my new hire class bid down from light cabin PIC to Global SIC. I ran into him at HPN and asked why he did that. He said quality of life.
The tour he was currently on had him sit home days 1 and 2, then on day 3 he flew HPN to somewhere in Italy. 30 hours off then flew back to HPN.
Also, you usually have a F/A on large cabin jets so they can help with the cabin stuff instead of the pilots having to do it all.

12-07-2022, 01:35 AM

#130

jtf560

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Originally Posted by Gilligan13

Does life get better when you upgrade to a large cabin aircraft at NJA?

Yes, as long as you can sleep at weird times. If you can't handle big body clock changes, it can be horrible and we have had a few PICs leave for other airplanes as soon as their seat locks were done because they had a hard time with the body clock beat down. They have gotten much more efficient in scheduling the airplanes, but the logistics of long range international still makes for longer average overnights and better quality of life.