FracCracka

This and an extreme shortage of “give a flock” are the ways to navigate a 2023 NetJets career.

No pax catering? General message.
Release issue? General message.
Delay? General message.

Tired after dealing with no pax catering, a release issue and a delay? Fatigue.

The only reason I pick up a phone anymore is to *tell them* (not ask) that we’re shutting it down for an hour to get food when our crew food doesn’t show up, or to ask MCC what words they want typed in for the discrepancy.

It’s not my problem if the owners beat us back from grabbing something quick, nor my problem if we miss a slot, or now have to deice, or the plane breaks on the next start.

If they want to defer my squawk that’s fine. They can tell me where it’s at in the MEL.

My job has become infinitely easier since management stopped caring. I’m just following their example.

hdgbug

I have to agree with the sentiment from Swedepilut and David Puddy. Except for a few areas, this job has not had much appreciable change during my time here. Granted I have only been here a couple years. I have not seen any drastic change in day to day life on the road. The things that suck, still suck. In addition, I haven’t changed the way I work. I fully utilize my CBA rights to make sure I am fed and rested, and I work at a professional pace and do only my job. What has changed is how the job (compensation) compares to others in the industry. That, I believe, is the reason for discontent amongst the pilot group at this point. Not that the job has changed, but that we have fallen further and further behind our peers in compensation for a job that arguably harder than 121.

While I won’t encourage people to stay or leave, I believe in providing the facts of the job and letting people make an educated decision. The pilots we are hiring now have probably the greatest amount of information available to them regarding the entire industry than ever before. While I’ve met some new hires who didn’t look any farther than the rosy picture some portray and didn’t do their research, that falls in their lap. Not everything about this job is amazing, but there’s no perfect job. However, I put very little stock in those pilots who make matter of fact claims, whether on an anonymous message board or in the cockpit, that new hires should leave immediately or people shouldn’t come here. Very rarely do these people take time to learn about why someone wants to come or stay here. In addition, they usually have some weak argument about why they stay and then spend the entire tour complaining about how they are “stuck” here.

I don’t mean to imply that nobody has a valid reason for not making the jump. Those reasons are often times the same reasons that new hires want to come or stay here. However, if you want to encourage someone to come or not to come here, how about providing the reality and facts of the job rather than a statement that everyone should take your word for it because you have been here for X number of years. Lay it out there and let people decide for themselves.

AirBear

When you talk about Delta fast upgrades keep in mind that's at LGA/JFK domicile. Unless you live within driving distance you'll be commuting. My neighbor does this from CLT and it's actually not bad because he got a line on the A320 so quickly and many trips he can get are commutable. Plus his wife can pickup and drop him off at CLT so that saves time. But a junior Captain will be on reserve for a long time and commuting to reserve isn't fun. For all the bad things about NetJets at least they don't have reserve or commuting.

MinRest

NetJets has always kinda sucked as a job. It just feels suckier when the industry around NJA is doing so well. The same goes for when the airline industry craps the bed, NJA pilots praise the amazing job they have and how amazing the company is. Scheduling runs you into fatiguing almost daily, you rarely get an awesome layover and/or enough time to enjoy the layover, and when the airline industry sees concessions is the only time NJA pays better. Don't leave NJA to chase upgrades or contracts at a particular airline. You have to be built for the NJA lifestyle. Some people are, and some people aren't. I wasn't. FDP masked a lot of issues because you can solve a lot with money. Now that the airlines are all paying top dollar, and upgrades are down, it makes NJA feel pretty behind the eightball when the honeymoon of FDP wears off and you realized they simply threw money at you to ignore the plaguing issues that have never gone away, and never will. Scheduling will always be the way it is, the dynamic nature of NJA will never change. If you love flying private jets to random places and can make the lifestyle, pay, and benefits work, then awesome.

Size11feet

Market forces have to eventually rule. Look at what's happened to wages at the regionals in the last 5 years. The companies with forward thinking leadership will adjust and make themselves more attractive to qualified pilots by improved pay and quality of life. The companies run by beancounters will suffer through poor customer service, dissatisfied owners, and eventual insolvency.

JMO127

Its only a dumpster fire because the union tells you it is. Everything was great a few months ago then magically its not. The other thing is you're asking the company for more money yet say you're the best hardest working pilots in the world or whatever. Yet you take out add saying you're under trained, under loved, under fed basically devaluing your stock. Ask for more money on an account of buyers remorse and devalue yourself and the new guys all at once. Brilliant. The company seems to be playing chess. Union and its sheep are playing checkers.

Tiggerpilot

Instead of saying “Come to NJ, you’ll get paid a lot.”, or “Come to NJ, you’ll enjoy a great a great QOL.”… we have pilots complimenting our ‘
’iron clad” fatigue policy.
Yes, you too can come to NJ where you can get paid 60% of Jet Blue (a low cost carrier) and use our iron clad fatigue policy.

Tiggerpilot

Why do I get the impression you are not a union supporter. I mean the only thing the union has done is get more bases for the new hires, more pay for everyone, an ‘iron clad” fatigue policy, better retirement, etc….

The union is the pilot group. As an example, you have scores of pilots complaining about training or the lack thereof, so the “union” says something.

We ARE a dumpster fire right now.

AJDWAB

There a lot at NJ. Management stooges. Hell, some have left and are still management stooges. (One here comes to mind....why else would you keep coming back to a forum for a previous employer?)

172guy

As someone who is thinking about coming to Net Jets, who would you recommend in the 135 world instead? I'm sure you network with more people than I do and would appreciate a heads up.