Bill Lumberg

Thanks Mr. Management - it's nice to know that CS management checks in with us every once and awhile... That is the lamest thing I have ever heard. You sound like CS Management to me. Are you a communist? We, capitalists, are never just content - we want gradual improvement and respect for our contributions over time. Just remember, without good pilots, these frax companies will have problems retaining customers and the dominos will continue to fall. Lower wages = lower quality of pilots and lower service standards. It's a simple formula. Do you want the best and most experienced pilots? Then you will need to pay well to get their attention. If Netjets raises the bar, CS will need to respond or risk getting the negged Netjets pilots as newhires. That would be a great statement for the CS brochure or corporate video - "we don't pay competitively so we use 2nd-rate pilots who were were turned down elsewhere." Does CS want that?

I don't care what Buffet says about pilot wages - he's a BILLIONAIRE because he was never just "content" with anything...

RCA01

So what you are telling me, a knew to this buisness simple line pilot, is that I'm never to be content with my situation and always want more?

Bill Lumberg

Nice try. You sound like either a manager or a scab. Most professionals wish to improve their situations over time. If you don't ask for more money or better benefits, you will never get it. Management will certainly never just give it to you.

I don't care if you are content (you might deserve less than you are getting). Just because you feel that way doesn't mean that CS pilots should be denied market rates as the rates continue to increase. If you are a pilot, perhaps you should donate any incremental benefits to a good charity because, clearly, you are super content and you don't need additional funds.

Good for you.

RCA01

You sound like either a manager or a scab. Most professionals.......


Did your really just put those two remarks on the same line?
I didnt think most professionals would resort to name calling during a discussion about the industry.

jmack

as long as we are making 200 mil a year I want some more of the cut.

GlasssPilot

You reference that link for a passing comment Buffet made?

Wow, I can't believe you even remembered he said it. One sentence in an hour long piece!

Navajo31

The question is how to best "improve your situation". The financial health of the employer should be an important factor in any employer's situation. If the employee union does so well in negotiations that the company cannot continue to make money, then the employees have not "improved their situation". Look beyond the aviation industry; clearly the UAW's successful negotiations in the 1970's have dramatically hurt the US auto industry. Because of the financial inequities between the US manufacturers and foreign companies, the Japanese car makers sold cars cheaper, gained market share, and cost US jobs. The last GM strike in 1970 included almost 250,000 workers; this week's strike was only 73,000. The professional trick is to get the largest share of the pot possible - without reducing the size of the pot.

RCA01

If I had half the brains Navajo31 had this thread would have been a lot shorter

Thanks for the mediation Navajo

Unless of course you guys plan on attacking him for his view.

RCA01

It maybe a little more than a passing comment. It happens to be one of TWO resons they would sell a company. Whether that means NJA and the IBT or Dairy Queen and the burger flippers is for you to decide.

I surely didnt think it would be a point of personal attack on a guy that watched a Warren Buffet interview.

Navajo31

Thanks for the kind words.