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I just like the fact that I will live longer than the average cargo pilot. I thought about going cargo before NJ. That was until I saw how FDX and UPS prematurely aged my squadron mates. No thanks. But, to each his own.
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Originally Posted by 757upspilot
(Post 453796)
I like to keep up with whats going on outside of my area. Gives me an idea where the next batch of people might come from. The fractional business is new compared to most of what are called airlines. Its interesting to see how far it will grow before it becomes large enough to attract the government, cut throat competition, a private equity outfit thats going to take it apart or get sold off .
You could of fooled me. |
....UPS was moving airfreight in the 30's
They actually began service in 1929 but suspended it due to Great Depression. Resumed in 1954 and were flying in airliners until 1988 when they established their own airline, and are now the 9th largest. Yeah, I'm familiar as a shareholder. |
Originally Posted by arjmjj
(Post 453969)
....UPS was moving airfreight in the 30's
They actually began service in 1929 but suspended it due to Great Depression. Resumed in 1954 and were flying in airliners until 1988 when they established their own airline, and are now the 9th largest. Yeah, I'm familiar as a shareholder. They actually owned the fleet prior to 88. |
Originally Posted by arjmjj
(Post 453962)
.....so I am familiar with Netjets....
You could of fooled me. Really. I have recieved a great education about NetJets that could not be pulled from a financial statement. You have fun now |
[quote=F16Driver;453960]I just like the fact that I will live longer than the average cargo pilot. I thought about going cargo before NJ. That was until I saw how FDX and UPS prematurely aged my squadron mates. No thanks. But, to each his own.[/quote.
You are correct, its good to be able to choose. |
Got the letter
11K+, IOE/LCA, Sim Instructor. 4 type ratings. 5 years sales/customer service experience with Global Fortune 500 company prior to flying. 1 strong LOR....Got the letter. The only thing I can think of is that I'm an airline guy. :eek:
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Does anyone know if in addition to internal recs, a non internal LOR's could help at all. I have one from my boss where I worked line (and still do) for 5+ years highlighting my customer service experience. Figured it can't hurt.
ARL |
Has anyone heard anything after the standard email of they have the app and will hear something?
Just wondering what to look for? Also, any time line to it? Thanks. |
Hello to all,
This is my first post. I thought I’d pass on another data point regarding apps to NetJets and their response. I applied August 11th and got “we are reviewing your application and will get back to you…” the next day. Yesterday I got the email that a few others have received which read, “we are looking for someone that better fits our needs…” It was addressed to me (not Dear Applicant). I’m obviously disappointed. My background for what it’s worth: 25 years in the USAF (Retiring in a few months) 6000+ PIC multi engine jet (F-15E and A-10) One internal Rec No formal customer service experience although I tried to tie in some “customer service like” stuff I’ve done in the Air Force. I’ve enjoyed reading the posts. Very informative as I look to start a second career. Regards, Jethro |
Originally Posted by Jethro
(Post 467646)
Hello to all,
This is my first post. I thought I’d pass on another data point regarding apps to NetJets and their response. I applied August 11th and got “we are reviewing your application and will get back to you…” the next day. Yesterday I got the email that a few others have received which read, “we are looking for someone that better fits our needs…” It was addressed to me (not Dear Applicant). I’m obviously disappointed. My background for what it’s worth: 25 years in the USAF (Retiring in a few months) 6000+ PIC multi engine jet (F-15E and A-10) One internal Rec No formal customer service experience although I tried to tie in some “customer service like” stuff I’ve done in the Air Force. I’ve enjoyed reading the posts. Very informative as I look to start a second career. Regards, Jethro (This may one of the few times in history that cargo guys may be happy they didn’t get fighters.) Best of luck to you. There are a lot of contractors hiring military pilots right now. Might not be what you want in the long term, but it’s a great way to build up multi crew and interactive (as opposed to part 121) passenger carrying time. |
Originally Posted by Jethro
(Post 467646)
No formal customer service experience although I tried to tie in some “customer service like” stuff I’ve done in the Air Force.
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I think there is a bias towards anyone that has been furloughed. Many pilots burned them last time when they were recalled so they dont want to go that route again.
I had to laugh when the email stated i wasnt qualified. I now refer to my job hunting as whats on my work history. I call it the UNITED STENCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Miser,
It is a common misconseption that single seat fighter guys have 0 CRM time. Our CRM happens within the flight. If anyone in the flight doesn't perform his or her task or responsibility, it can adversely affect the team. (ie: radar search, proper formation, targeting and sorting resp, engaged/supporting resp, emergency backup-chase aircraft reads checklist for EP aircraft, etc.etc.) This will step on toes but, flying a multi-crew aircraft(most of the time) is way easier than flying a single seat fighter, hitting the tanker at night in the wx, leading a 4-ship and other mission packages into the AOR, fighting and defending against air and ground threats, dropping ordinance on target on time danger close to troops in contact, than having to fight your way back out and land out of approach to minimums. Navy guys have to come back to a boat!!! This isn't to pound my chest, it is just to show that single seat fighter guys are more than qualified to be in a CRM aircraft. It chaps my ass that they aren't even considering a 6000 hour fighter guy for a position because of this MAJOR customer service podium that they are currently on. We are not flight attendants. Our customer service is not THAT involved, IMHO. Others may disagree. I would rather have someone that is easy to get along with for 7 days than someone that is good at giving verbal BJ's to the customers. Again, IMHO. |
Originally Posted by F16Driver
(Post 468403)
Miser,
It is a common misconseption that single seat fighter guys have 0 CRM time. Our CRM happens within the flight. If anyone in the flight doesn't perform his or her task or responsibility, it can adversely affect the team. (ie: radar search, proper formation, targeting and sorting resp, engaged/supporting resp, emergency backup-chase aircraft reads checklist for EP aircraft, etc.etc.) This will step on toes but, flying a multi-crew aircraft(most of the time) is way easier than flying a single seat fighter, hitting the tanker at night in the wx, leading a 4-ship and other mission packages into the AOR, fighting and defending against air and ground threats, dropping ordinance on target on time danger close to troops in contact, than having to fight your way back out and land out of approach to minimums. Navy guys have to come back to a boat!!! This isn't to pound my chest, it is just to show that single seat fighter guys are more than qualified to be in a CRM aircraft. It chaps my ass that they aren't even considering a 6000 hour fighter guy for a position because of this MAJOR customer service podium that they are currently on. We are not flight attendants. Our customer service is not THAT involved, IMHO. Others may disagree. I would rather have someone that is easy to get along with for 7 days than someone that is good at giving verbal BJ's to the customers. Again, IMHO. A small Thank you from me to you and all your brothers that put it on the line for regular joes like myself. Never really knew the details of a day in the life of a fighter pilot,.. much respect. |
Thanks Namreg.
However, I personally feel the men and women on the ground have the toughest job. Kicking in doors, dealing with IED's, longer deployments, etc. The up close and personal stuff they have to deal with everyday is insane. There isn't much in today's current ops that can get us fighter jocks watching from above. We just have to make sure that when we hit the pickle button that everything is perfect so we don't hurt or kill our own guys. Hard to do when they're yelling on the radio with gunfire in the background. The scenarios that we train to, though, are the worst case scenarios. In today's current world climate, I have a bad feeling that the feces is going to hit the circular cooling device worse than it is now. I'm not looking forward to it, I just want to make sure I'm ready for it. In the end it is a team effort. I just REALLY respect what our troops on the ground do everyday. |
Sorry for straying off topic. For regularly scheduled programming, we (NJ pilots) are being told by recruiting that everyone that has had a phone interview more than a month ago should have been contacted. If you haven't and you've been waiting more than a month, send an email.
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than having to fight your way back out and land out of approach to minimums. Navy guys have to come back to a boat!!! Yes - it is a chap. There doesn't really seem to be a right answer or a right approach. USMCFLYR |
Originally Posted by F16Driver
(Post 468589)
Sorry for straying off topic. For regularly scheduled programming, we (NJ pilots) are being told by recruiting that everyone that has had a phone interview more than a month ago should have been contacted. If you haven't and you've been waiting more than a month, send an email.
It's not a "no". |
Originally Posted by F16Driver
(Post 468403)
Miser,
It is a common misconseption that single seat fighter guys have 0 CRM time. Our CRM happens within the flight. If anyone in the flight doesn't perform his or her task or responsibility, it can adversely affect the team. (ie: radar search, proper formation, targeting and sorting resp, engaged/supporting resp, emergency backup-chase aircraft reads checklist for EP aircraft, etc.etc.) I’m fully aware of that. We multi seat guys fly in flights also. We deal with internal AND external crew issues. (ie: radar search, proper formation, targeting and sorting resp, engaged/supporting resp, emergency backup-chase aircraft reads checklist, etc.etc.) But we practice doing things as a crew, not individually. The C in CRM stands for CREW.
Originally Posted by F16Driver
(Post 468403)
This will step on toes but, flying a multi-crew aircraft(most of the time) is way easier than flying a single seat fighter, hitting the tanker at night in the wx, leading a 4-ship and other mission packages into the AOR, fighting and defending against air and ground threats, dropping ordinance on target on time danger close to troops in contact, than having to fight your way back out and land out of approach to minimums. Navy guys have to come back to a boat!!!
I’ll agree with you there. I’ve flown single seat and multi crew. Most of the time team effort is far easier than individual effort. I’ve also had the pleasure of having a crew member who was so screwed up that I had to undo all his errors and still fly and aircraft and handle external issues alone. Working as a team in a cockpit takes practice. And as I stated, I’ve viewed many sim evaluations where single seat guys with less than about half of their total time as multi-seat guys shutdown the other crew member when things got hot. They basically became a single seat aircraft.
Originally Posted by F16Driver
(Post 468403)
This isn't to pound my chest, it is just to show that single seat fighter guys are more than qualified to be in a CRM aircraft.
God bless fighter guys, they are darn smart and good pilots, but FSI Dothan agrees with my statement on CRM.
Originally Posted by F16Driver
(Post 468403)
It chaps my ass that they aren't even considering a 6000 hour fighter guy for a position because of this MAJOR customer service podium that they are currently on. We are not flight attendants. Our customer service is not THAT involved, IMHO. Others may disagree. I would rather have someone that is easy to get along with for 7 days than someone that is good at giving verbal BJ's to the customers. Again, IMHO.
Amen to that brother. Full agreement there. |
Originally Posted by F16Driver
(Post 468403)
Miser,
This will step on toes but, flying a multi-crew aircraft(most of the time) is way easier than flying a single seat fighter, hitting the tanker at night in the wx, leading a 4-ship and other mission packages into the AOR, fighting and defending against air and ground threats, dropping ordinance on target on time danger close to troops in contact, than having to fight your way back out and land out of approach to minimums. Navy guys have to come back to a boat!!! |
Originally Posted by FlyFastLiveSlow
(Post 469169)
I won't comment on which one is easier or harder, but they are definitely different. There's a reason their aren't any heavy pilots on the Thunderbirds and any fighter pilots flying AF One. If I was hiring pilots, I'd pick the ones that had the most experience that most closely relates to the job description. That said, none of us were born pilots and have been taught what we do--and therefore should be able to expand into different types of flying.
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Originally Posted by Fourgoslot
(Post 503182)
It's flying with a smile, not brain surgery. I was a Thunderbird and a good friend of mine flew Air Force Two. I'm pretty sure either one of us could handle smiling, shaking hands, have a conversation then take off and land. I would imagine they hire the personality more than the experience...within reason of course.
Way to get into the ball game... two months after the conversation ended.:rolleyes: |
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