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s10an 02-17-2009 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by fartsarefunny (Post 560767)
Hard to explain to the FAA why I went off the end of the runway at flaps 22 in an aircraft with flaps that go to 45.......

If you have the performance numbers backing up a 22 landing, theres sholdnt be a problem...

fartsarefunny 02-17-2009 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by s10an (Post 560860)
If you have the performance numbers backing up a 22 landing, theres sholdnt be a problem...


Yep...as long as you have the numbers, there should never be a problem in aviation....we all know everything works out just fine in aviation...

fartsarefunny 02-17-2009 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by cgtpilot (Post 560784)
Because its an approved procedure blessed by the gracious Feds in the good book (FOM).

That's a good defense...

s10an 02-17-2009 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by fartsarefunny (Post 560884)
Yep...as long as you have the numbers, there should never be a problem in aviation....we all know everything works out just fine in aviation...

Sure, the feds can always find a way to pin it on the pilots. If you run off the runways with flap 22, you probably would have done it with 45...

fartsarefunny 02-17-2009 04:59 PM

Another 300 hour Chuck Yeager...

fartsarefunny 02-17-2009 04:59 PM

I take that back, most of you probably don't know who Chuck Yeager is....

wizepilot 02-17-2009 07:58 PM

I would have to say that Chuck Yeager at 300 hours probably knew more about flying than we did at 3,000 hours.

emb145captain 02-17-2009 08:21 PM

Just got the official word from Embraer. There is no preferred flap setting.

ExperimentalAB 02-18-2009 07:58 AM

Flaps 22 doesn't feel behind the power curve...much cleaner approach and landing IMHO if you've got the runway to play with...! And yes, it does save gobs of fuel.

forgot to bid 03-03-2009 09:58 PM

Carbon brakes last longer on the E145 by over half if you heat them up. Anotherwords, don't use reverse and if you want to really do what EMB recommends then don't even pop the doors as the $600,000 cost of TR reverse door overhauls comes in to play. The engines are on condition, the TR doors are not.

Using carbon brakes incorrectly will reduce brake life by half. Carbon brakes build a film around them when they're heated which protects the brakes as they're applied. If you use max reverse then lightly apply the brakes then the carbon brakes will develop a chaffing or particle that will be very abrasive on the brakes and wears them out twice as fast plus you just wore out your TR doors to boot. So if you see those things in the amber, calm down. Just don't blast off with them in the amber.

They figured this out from the European operators that didn't have TR installed on their 145s having brakes that lasted twice as long as their American counterparts at XJT and AE that had TRs. Thats when they changed the books to say heat up the brakes.

Flaps are your choice, I used 45 when the runway was a factor and 22 when I wanted a better shot at a greaser but I've seen that thing grease when it shouldn't have and thump when it shouldn't have and just the opposite. Land with power, don't land with power, land 22, don't land 22, land and blah blah blah. Just do something before it hits the ground.


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