Whats going on with XOJET?
03-08-2009 | 03:27 AM
#41
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B727DVR,
I have no fight with you. I just ask that you try not to generalize so much and try to take more of a macro view. No one is defending the the way our folks were terminated. (jeez, I almost said let go) I don't believe it's fair to label an entire company based on one single event no matter how distasteful you find it. However, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.
I have no fight with you. I just ask that you try not to generalize so much and try to take more of a macro view. No one is defending the the way our folks were terminated. (jeez, I almost said let go) I don't believe it's fair to label an entire company based on one single event no matter how distasteful you find it. However, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.
Build 1000 Bridges and you're known as a bridge builder. But you screw over just 1 pilot....
03-08-2009 | 05:26 AM
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I know a few guys there and agree it is a quality operation that generally takes care of it's own. However, the way the 23 were FIRED at Christmas, with no notice should send a strong signal to new applicants and old hats alike.
03-08-2009 | 10:10 AM
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From: Team Leader
[quote=FalconFlyer;573133][quote=XOpilot;572163]
If you're serious about the interview incidentals thing, send me a pm and I'll help you. I've only ever heard of one guy who was ever denied anything. The way I heard the story, he drove his rental car from Sacramento to Portland, and changed his flight to leave three days later out of PDX. Was that you? If so, you're a legend, but not in a good way.
Was that you Jetjockee? Thats hilarious that your still waiting for reimbursement. If that wasn't you I would help you out as well. I have never heard of anyone not getting paid back.
No that wasn't me. I'm over it though, no worries on the reimbursement.
Honestly, I really didn't want to stir the Pot, however it reads much different then my intent,, I was just disappointed in the handling of the pilot cuts after all the great things I had heard about XOJET. I should of thought before I wrote!
I have 25 years in aviation and I find being pro - pilot the best position. This is just my opinion and nothing else. I really enjoyed everyone I met during my interview and belive its a great group.
I hope the pilots who lost their jobs get an opportunity to return. I believe this would help shine a tarnished management style.
Good Luck!
If you're serious about the interview incidentals thing, send me a pm and I'll help you. I've only ever heard of one guy who was ever denied anything. The way I heard the story, he drove his rental car from Sacramento to Portland, and changed his flight to leave three days later out of PDX. Was that you? If so, you're a legend, but not in a good way.
Was that you Jetjockee? Thats hilarious that your still waiting for reimbursement. If that wasn't you I would help you out as well. I have never heard of anyone not getting paid back.
No that wasn't me. I'm over it though, no worries on the reimbursement.
Honestly, I really didn't want to stir the Pot, however it reads much different then my intent,, I was just disappointed in the handling of the pilot cuts after all the great things I had heard about XOJET. I should of thought before I wrote!
I have 25 years in aviation and I find being pro - pilot the best position. This is just my opinion and nothing else. I really enjoyed everyone I met during my interview and belive its a great group.
I hope the pilots who lost their jobs get an opportunity to return. I believe this would help shine a tarnished management style.
Good Luck!
03-08-2009 | 10:05 PM
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No that wasn't me. I'm over it though, no worries on the reimbursement.
Honestly, I really didn't want to stir the Pot, however it reads much different then my intent,, I was just disappointed in the handling of the pilot cuts after all the great things I had heard about XOJET. I should of thought before I wrote!
I have 25 years in aviation and I find being pro - pilot the best position. This is just my opinion and nothing else. I really enjoyed everyone I met during my interview and belive its a great group.
I hope the pilots who lost their jobs get an opportunity to return. I believe this would help shine a tarnished management style.
Good Luck!
We were disappointed too. Hopefully, they'll be back soon.
I would hope we are ALL pro-pilot. There is certainly no need to squabble amongst ourselves.
03-09-2009 | 12:39 AM
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Another Idea..
Hey XO and Falcon,
This isn't so much advice, as it is an idea that could help your friends and fellow pilots that were terminated last year: Sign a petition.. Positive, respectful, non-confrontational...
This helped at a place that I worked previously by showing management that their remaining pilots did not condone this behavior. It was worded something like this (modified for XOJET)...:
Mr. David Siegel, CEO XOJET
Mr. Director of Operations
Mr. Chief Pilot
Gentlemen,
We, as loyal employees of XOJET, pride ourselves on being part of such a great company and such a special team. As loyal employees, we as pilots have collectively done our best to make XOJET the safest, most efficient, most innovative, and profitable airline in the business. We, as pilots, are protective of XOJET and try to identify problems early on before they become larger problems during these challenging times. This is why we would like to express our collective concern regarding the method in which the terminations of Dec. ## took place.
While we understand the need for workforce reductions during these challenging economic times, we also believe that the good name of XOJET could be further enhanced by either the immediate recall of out 23 terminated pilots or by your changing their status to "furloughed with recall rights". We all know the chances of a terminated pilot finding work in any market, much less today's market. This would also enhance XOJET's good name in this industry by such a magnanimous gesture.
Furthermore, we would request that you make all future pilot workforce reductions by date-of-hire seniority order. This will also enhance XOJET's good name in the industry and will allow our pilots to know that if they were good enough to be hired initially, they are good enough to be returned to XOJET when business picks up. A written furlough policy would cost the Company nothing and would enhance pilot retention by giving them a feeling of security that could reverse the uncertainties of the pilots since the terminations. A written furlough policy can be a great thing for XOJET. Yada Yada Yada...
Respectfully, XOPILOT, FALCON FLYER, YADA, YADA
OK, so you are wondering.. Did it work? Well, no not exactly, but it did let manamgement that we did not take the terminations lightly. But 4 months later, when they went to the AirInc Job Fair to RECRUIT more pilots as they were now short, with the word out on the street.. they actually got heckled
for their atrocious behavior! That helped.... Then everybody got recalled and we got a written furlough policy!
Just an idea... It couldn't hurt, but the first person to sign must have a lot of courage: It's better if you can get everybody to sign it.
Good Luck guys!
In Unity,
B727DRVR
PS- Hey XO, I don't think that it is a bad company, quite the opposite... Just a company that made a reverseable mistake, like Flight Options did.. Nobody is perfect! And they can still fix this and turn it from PR lemons to PR lemonade... Oh, and that was a nice post "I would hope we are ALL pro-pilot. There is certainly no need to squabble amongst ourselves." OK, 'nuff said, take care...........
This isn't so much advice, as it is an idea that could help your friends and fellow pilots that were terminated last year: Sign a petition.. Positive, respectful, non-confrontational...
This helped at a place that I worked previously by showing management that their remaining pilots did not condone this behavior. It was worded something like this (modified for XOJET)...:
Mr. David Siegel, CEO XOJET
Mr. Director of Operations
Mr. Chief Pilot
Gentlemen,
We, as loyal employees of XOJET, pride ourselves on being part of such a great company and such a special team. As loyal employees, we as pilots have collectively done our best to make XOJET the safest, most efficient, most innovative, and profitable airline in the business. We, as pilots, are protective of XOJET and try to identify problems early on before they become larger problems during these challenging times. This is why we would like to express our collective concern regarding the method in which the terminations of Dec. ## took place.
While we understand the need for workforce reductions during these challenging economic times, we also believe that the good name of XOJET could be further enhanced by either the immediate recall of out 23 terminated pilots or by your changing their status to "furloughed with recall rights". We all know the chances of a terminated pilot finding work in any market, much less today's market. This would also enhance XOJET's good name in this industry by such a magnanimous gesture.
Furthermore, we would request that you make all future pilot workforce reductions by date-of-hire seniority order. This will also enhance XOJET's good name in the industry and will allow our pilots to know that if they were good enough to be hired initially, they are good enough to be returned to XOJET when business picks up. A written furlough policy would cost the Company nothing and would enhance pilot retention by giving them a feeling of security that could reverse the uncertainties of the pilots since the terminations. A written furlough policy can be a great thing for XOJET. Yada Yada Yada...
Respectfully, XOPILOT, FALCON FLYER, YADA, YADA
OK, so you are wondering.. Did it work? Well, no not exactly, but it did let manamgement that we did not take the terminations lightly. But 4 months later, when they went to the AirInc Job Fair to RECRUIT more pilots as they were now short, with the word out on the street.. they actually got heckled
for their atrocious behavior! That helped.... Then everybody got recalled and we got a written furlough policy!Just an idea... It couldn't hurt, but the first person to sign must have a lot of courage: It's better if you can get everybody to sign it.
Good Luck guys!
In Unity,
B727DRVR
PS- Hey XO, I don't think that it is a bad company, quite the opposite... Just a company that made a reverseable mistake, like Flight Options did.. Nobody is perfect! And they can still fix this and turn it from PR lemons to PR lemonade... Oh, and that was a nice post "I would hope we are ALL pro-pilot. There is certainly no need to squabble amongst ourselves." OK, 'nuff said, take care...........
03-09-2009 | 12:26 PM
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From: Right Seat, PIC
Saw this in a piece on the New Castle Airport in Delaware. Pretty much the only good bit of news in the entire article.
Image puts drag on corporate aviation | delawareonline | The News Journal
"XOJET, a California-based charter facility with a fleet of 25 planes and an East Coast base in New Castle, has seen some encouraging signs amid the gloom, said Alison McCauley, vice president of marketing. She said flying hours were down 28 percent in January, but flight hours booked for March are higher than any such month in the company's three-year history.
"We are still making great margins," she said, noting that many of her company's customers don't have the option of cutting back on private air travel. "We wouldn't offer the product if we weren't making margins."
Her company's planes are the 10-seat Challenger 300 and the nine-seat Cessna Citation 10. The company laid off some employees late last year, mostly in finance and administration, but some pilots, too, she said. The company had forecast ambitious growth, and had to adjust to the new reality, McCauley said."
Image puts drag on corporate aviation | delawareonline | The News Journal
"XOJET, a California-based charter facility with a fleet of 25 planes and an East Coast base in New Castle, has seen some encouraging signs amid the gloom, said Alison McCauley, vice president of marketing. She said flying hours were down 28 percent in January, but flight hours booked for March are higher than any such month in the company's three-year history.
"We are still making great margins," she said, noting that many of her company's customers don't have the option of cutting back on private air travel. "We wouldn't offer the product if we weren't making margins."
Her company's planes are the 10-seat Challenger 300 and the nine-seat Cessna Citation 10. The company laid off some employees late last year, mostly in finance and administration, but some pilots, too, she said. The company had forecast ambitious growth, and had to adjust to the new reality, McCauley said."
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