UCLAbruins

Interesting article on KTEB airport, " the most complex airspace in the country".....

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/22/ny...o.html?_r=1&hp

not sure where to post this, might wanna read it just incase it gets deleted..... good read

cgtpilot

Very interesting article. I'm not so sure about the "most complex airspace" title though. There are several operations that come to mind that are much larger and much busier than TEB. O'hare, SFO, & ATL come to mind. I would have to think that the variety of equipment and more importantly the experience level (or lack thereof) of the crews create most of the problems such as the runway incursions. There is just no way to expect that a weekend warrior is going to operate at the same level of professionalism as a B737 or G5 crew.

faipsrule

I think the VFR and Helo traffic combined with the general location in regards to ERW, LGA and JFK make it pretty complex. The others mentioned are pretty complex too, but 1. Familiarity and 2. Professionalism (as you alluded to) make it easier to operate in those big class B airspaces than a busy GA airport underneath busy class B.

UCLAbruins

I think he's referring to its location not the airport itself.

but now that we're on the subject, I wonder which airspace is the most congested in this country, the NY or L.A airspace?? LGA, EWR, JFK, TEB, MMU, HPN vs LAX, ONT, BUR, SMO, VNY, LBG, SNA.... one Sunday morning we ferried from SNA to BUR, we got so many TA hits I couldn't tell what was what on the TCAS display

cgtpilot

Just think about the amount of delays into the NY Metro area compared to the amount of delays in the L.A. Basin. I've been based at both JFK & LAX (now granted I've never been to any of the GA airports you mention such as VNY or TEB) and even on the BEST of weather days the NY Metros are delayed with GDP, GS, and EDCT programs. So I would have to think that the Metro airspace is much busier & complex. Granted though I would also think that the NY Metro airspace is mostly 121 airline ops vs. alot more GA traffic in the LA Basin with all the corporate airports scattered about in the Basin. In NY you've basically got TEB, ISP, & HPN....

727C47

and dont forget CDW !

Sdedeker

Our company had us go through a 12 min online training course from Flight Safety about the TEB5 departure. It went through the airspace and showed you why you are restricted to 1500'. It really shows you what is going on with EWK and JFK's airspace right above you and why you have to pay attention.

You can find the training at flight safety's web site and go to elearning and select Teterboro5 awareness. Its free.

OmahaPilot

TEB 6 departure becomes effective on Aug 27.

cgtpilot

TEB Safety in Question Article...according to these folks the NTSB is unloading their gear at TEB at more than twice the rate of the airline airports.

[GLENN] Teterboro Safety In The Spotlight

SenecaDriver

I have a question for you guys that frequent TEB more than me.

I was down there last tuesday. After dropping the pax and getting the TEB-5 departure in the clearance home, I was told to expect a delay if I wanted the TEB5, but I could get going right away If I could accept the Dalton dep.

I said I would take it and went on my way after reviewing it in the AFD.

I'm still puzzled however what is the Differance between the TEB-5 (Now 6) and the dalton dep for runway 19.

They both climb to 800' then turn to 280. The Dalton has you climb and stay VFR at or below 1300', while the TEB5 has you maintain 1500'. There are few other minor differances at where you can expect further clearance. The TEB R-230 vs TEBR-250, and now DME in the TEB6 etc,etc.

Seems like the TEB5/6 is more restrictive than the Dalton. So I'm confused by having to have to take a delay for it over the Dalton.

Any ideas?