Originally Posted by 60av8tor (Post 3941157)

A bazillion people on this board have as well. Yes, everything is relative, but when you take a job with a garbage operator (not saying they are, but I do remember hearing some comments in the past) it doesn’t take long for you to really see how the other half lives and realize the pile of $hit you hitched your wagon to. BuT iTs NoT A BOx…

Yes it can really can be that bad! (relatively speaking)

Originally Posted by Beech Dude (Post 3941478)

Yup. Id work at Home Depot before doing any 135 work. Young or old, its not worth it; plenty of other places to look for flying gigs. Just my .02

Originally Posted by cactusmike (Post 3943980)

And that is total APC bulls###.

If you are looking to fly past 65 or you are getting furloughed from your airline or any other reason that you suddenly find yourself unemployed right now your options are limited. Painting 135 as all bad is spray painting when you need to be using an artist’s brush. Not s

I'm not saying Nicholas is great, or even decent. My only experience with them was that one of their management pilots was in my class at SWC, and he left us within a year so I am not sure of the truth on their operations.

But having a job flying is key to getting your next and better job flying. Unless you are typed and/or have strong connections you will not be flying mid to large cabin part 91 jets. 135 gets you that type and time. You just need to be able to be strong enough to be able to tell them to GFYS if they try to pull shady mx or scheduling practices. But how often does that really occur? I’ve done 135 before and after my 121 career. I never ran across that type of pressure. Most operators just want you to work your tour and go home with little or no drama from either side. The nature of charter ops in itself is prone to changes day to day. Don’t get that confused with being pushed to be illegal. No one on either side really wants to deal with an FAA violation. And as a LCA who talks with their POI I can tell you that the FAA pays attention to 135 operations.

Originally Posted by Simms529 (Post 3940998)

Ok, I'm just trying to be honest with myself. It really can't be that bad.....can it? I lived in a box for years, flying combat missions, eating and surviving on jerky and rip-its. Now, I'm a little longer in the tooth and I tend to be pretty positive of what I got. So, when I read these comments, I ask myself how bad is it there?

Originally Posted by cactusmike (Post 3943980)

And that is total APC bulls###.

If you are looking to fly past 65 or you are getting furloughed from your airline or any other reason that you suddenly find yourself unemployed right now your options are limited. Painting 135 as all bad is spray painting when you need to be using an artist’s brush. Not saying Nicholas is great, or even decent. My only experience with them was that one of their management pilots was in my class at SWC, and he left us within a year so I am not sure of the truth on their operations.

But having a job flying is key to getting your next and better job flying. Unless you are typed and/or have strong connections you will not be flying mid to large cabin part 91 jets. 135 gets you that type and time. You just need to be able to be strong enough to be able to tell them to GFYS if they try to pull shady mx or scheduling practices. But how often does that really occur? I’ve done 135 before and after my 121 career. I never ran across that type of pressure. Most operators just want you to work your tour and go home with little or no drama from either side. The nature of charter ops in itself is prone to changes day to day. Don’t get that confused with being pushed to be illegal. No one on either side really wants to deal with an FAA violation. And as a LCA who talks with their POI I can tell you that the FAA pays attention to 135 operations.

Originally Posted by Beech Dude (Post 3945036)

These forums are discussion. People asking/talking about different areas of the industry and I offered my opinion; for me, my own view. I've heard an exorbitant amount of negative issues with guys/gals that have been at 135 operations that I personally wouldn't consider one myself. Not "APC bull#$%#" , lighten up Francis.

Originally Posted by GooseMcGoose (Post 3670269)

they reiterated that they "really don't like to train people who are going to leave us."

Originally Posted by Simms529 (Post 3940998)

Ok, I'm just trying to be honest with myself. It really can't be that bad.....can it? I lived in a box for years, flying combat missions, eating and surviving on jerky and rip-its. Now, I'm a little longer in the tooth and I tend to be pretty positive of what I got. So, when I read these comments, I ask myself how bad is it there?

Originally Posted by Sliceback (Post 3945039)

You stated, as a professional pilot, that you'd rather work at Home Depot than fly for a Part 135 operator. Now it sounds like you've never even worked at one??? It's not airline flying but with a 7/7 schedule it's a decent gig. Yes, the actual operator matters. At m last company a retired airline guy said "this is my 3rd (4th?) Part 135 operator, and while they have issues, it's by far the best."

Originally Posted by Beech Dude (Post 3946752)

Yes. I've worked at a 91k/135 gig.