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PulledBreaker 07-11-2018 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by Blueskies67 (Post 2632204)
Quick snapshot from his biography talking about his style of buisness going back to the 70s: his efforts to build a sustainable, profitable airline model were criticized, with opponents saying his companies' profits were earned "on the backs of broken labor contracts, extremely low wages and harsh work rules."
#winning

As well as "In the succeeding five years, Lorenzo's management changed the character of the airline, having revamped the fleet, increased utilization, cut costs and dropped many losing routes and added flights on strong segments."

Sound familiar?

fcoolaiddrinker 07-11-2018 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by ReserveCA (Post 2631496)
Well.....
I suppose if the Senior Pilots are picking up at VJA rate the juniors should too.....
So much for lead by example or UNITY...
Welcome To FRONTIER...

In las on the captain side the majority of the vja have been jr captains. 3-4 years of longevity.There are no jr line holding captains in den and no idea about mco and ord?

SFA320 07-11-2018 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker (Post 2632446)
In las on the captain side the majority of the vja have been jr captains. 3-4 years of longevity.There are no jr line holding captains in den and no idea about mco and ord?

In DEN on the FO side even having better than 45% seniority won’t even get you a call. The incentivized trips must be going very senior, and they don’t seem to stay in open time very long.
As an example for tomorrow there were 5 incentivized trips, two of which were red eye turns. They are all already assigned. In open time for less than 8 hours. I’m not complaining or suggesting anything. I’m just pointing out the fact they go quick. Not sure about other bases.

FairWage 07-11-2018 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by SFA320 (Post 2632894)
In DEN on the FO side even having better than 45% seniority won’t even get you a call. The incentivized trips must be going very senior, and they don’t seem to stay in open time very long.
As an example for tomorrow there were 5 incentivized trips, two of which were red eye turns. They are all already assigned. In open time for less than 8 hours. I’m not complaining or suggesting anything. I’m just pointing out the fact they go quick. Not sure about other bases.

The main reason LOA 65 was cancelled. The senior guys pressed their reps to cancel it because they weren't getting called for VJA. Those INC trips were being picked up within seconds and CS never had to make one call. And because they cancelled LOA 65 the company decided to get us back and cancel all our vacations for August. Its gonna be a long hot summer.

fcoolaiddrinker 07-12-2018 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by FairWage (Post 2632915)
The main reason LOA 65 was cancelled. The senior guys pressed their reps to cancel it because they weren't getting called for VJA. Those INC trips were being picked up within seconds and CS never had to make one call. And because they cancelled LOA 65 the company decided to get us back and cancel all our vacations for August. Its gonna be a long hot summer.

It was definitely a reason but just one of many reasons. Another reason is quite a few of the LOA 65 pickups were handled completely outside of existing contract language. For example. pilots were negotiating there own credit. Some pilots that were legal were told no while others were able to pickup AFTER that pilot was denied. Yet another reason was the intent of the language was never to bypass the vja/ja process. It was creating several disputes and the problem was they were all meritless due to the "at crew scheduling discretion" language.

ReserveCA 07-12-2018 09:48 AM

If the phrase “at the discretion off” is in ANY CBA or LOA it should be an immediate NO.....

symbian simian 07-12-2018 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by ReserveCA (Post 2633311)
If the phrase “at the discretion off” is in ANY CBA or LOA it should be an immediate NO.....

at the discretion of the pilot?

I fully agree, my personal favorite:
TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT POSSIBLE, unless this is followed by:
if unable xxhours will be paid to the pilot and/or but not more than xx times/year-month-week-pilot, it really means "yeah, I might, if I feel like it, signed, crew scheduling/management."
To the maximum extent possible I am supposed to receive my hotel key in the van, 5 YEARS, ONE key!!!!!!

FLYBOYMATTHEW 07-15-2018 09:03 PM

The specific language of, "to the maximum extent possible" concerning the 4 days off between pairings was arbitrated and won by ALPA. This is why that verbiage is still used in the current NK CBA for that section at least.

symbian simian 07-16-2018 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW (Post 2635597)
The specific language of, "to the maximum extent possible" concerning the 4 days off between pairings was arbitrated and won by ALPA. This is why that verbiage is still used in the current NK CBA for that section at least.

I assume you mean 5 days off between pairings, as it relates to " to the maximum extent possible"?
And again, it means nothing without "but at least twice a month" or better " but not less days off than the length of the block of work days before". I think over 90% of reserve lines are built with 6 on / 4 off, and afterwards the grid is greener than the grass on the other side of the fence. How is that for "maximum extent possible"?
I am a commuting line holder who hates reserve, so doesn't affect me, but still angers me.


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