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Mugatu 09-10-2018 04:09 PM
Originally Posted by F9pilot15 (Post 2671301)
I know this might be unpopular but...

I’m thinking the company may be getting desperate. I’ll reserve my judgement until the October meeting but I feel like the writing is on the wall.

Spirit stock price is rising and I think they would like to sell some of Frontier soon. The markets are also getting more vulnerable. I understand PE funds extremely well and they need a contract from us before they can sell. They always try to demoralize the workgroup before hand in order to secure the best price. (Aka sign a mediocre contract)

Don’t forget the leverage is on our side my brothers and sisters. Together we can undo there damage and build a strong airline. Just remember it’s us that holds the key.


Comments.
I predict and bet:

1) management will offer exactly Spirit’s contract minus 1%
2) we will say no cuz it sucks
3) company lawyers will race the next day to Federal court in Chicago and have our case thrown out cuz NMB is following the RLA

Any takers???

Need a real job 09-10-2018 07:07 PM
Originally Posted by Mugatu (Post 2671654)
I predict and bet:

1) management will offer exactly Spirit’s contract minus 1%
2) we will say no cuz it sucks
3) company lawyers will race the next day to Federal court in Chicago and have our case thrown out cuz NMB is following the RLA

Any takers???
As good as that seems. I don’t think Indigo is willing to take a chance when they’ve been winning by a huge margin so long with no end in sight. Pipe dream brother. I think they will extend on the law suit and carry on with current **** storm.

PulledBreaker 09-10-2018 09:31 PM
Originally Posted by Mugatu (Post 2671654)
I predict and bet:

1) management will offer exactly Spirit’s contract minus 1%
2) we will say no cuz it sucks
3) company lawyers will race the next day to Federal court in Chicago and have our case thrown out cuz NMB is following the RLA

Any takers???
They offered Spirit rates on the last day of negotiations, and we said no.

Mugatu 09-11-2018 04:34 AM
Originally Posted by PulledBreaker (Post 2671934)
They offered Spirit rates on the last day of negotiations, and we said no.
Not Spirit rates, but Spirit contract. Of course we will say no with the sole purpose of requesting the lawsuit be dismissed.

Wheelswatch 09-11-2018 07:33 AM
Originally Posted by Mugatu (Post 2672004)
Not Spirit rates, but Spirit contract. Of course we will say no with the sole purpose of requesting the lawsuit be dismissed.
Wait what? I consider myself well engaged here. I didn't know this. I talked to a NC rep at length just after the last day of negotiations. This was never mentioned. Not that it matters, because NK's contract isn't even close to good enough, especially now, but still I had no idea.

And it was on the condition the lawsuit be dismissed? So the company is bothered by the lawsuit? That's news to me too, because obviously they will win it, because they always win everything, because it's all rigged and they're #winning.

Do I really believe my last sentence? I don't want to, but it's getting hard not to.

RustyChain 09-11-2018 08:09 AM
Was it Spirit's old rates?

SFA320 09-11-2018 08:40 AM
Originally Posted by RustyChain (Post 2672123)
Was it Spirit's old rates?
Minus 5%-10% on the rates and with less retirement. I think he is just talking about the last company offer before we proffered for release. It was way WORSE than Spirits in many aspects.
I think it was update 31 or 32.

Super EZ E 09-11-2018 09:51 AM
Originally Posted by Mugatu (Post 2671654)
I predict and bet:

1) management will offer exactly Spirit’s contract minus 1%
2) we will say no cuz it sucks
3) company lawyers will race the next day to Federal court in Chicago and have our case thrown out cuz NMB is following the RLA

Any takers???
I'd bet you'll end up with the current offer. It sure looks like you are on ice. The way you know your on ice is nothing is happening. :eek: The NMB will let you sit there till you take the offer. Your management team knows they've met the minimum to keep the NMB off their a$$. :mad: With that being said NMB is going to cool the pilots off till they figure this out. Hope I'm wrong but actions speak loader than words. :cool:

BTW you guys work for a company that is just plain low class. They don't respect what you do everyday. Look how you are treated. You really think they're going to pay anywhere near market?? I don't know why anyone would stick around.

Powderkeg 09-11-2018 10:07 AM
Originally Posted by Super EZ E (Post 2672196)
BTW you guys work for a company that is just plain low class. They don't respect what you do everyday. Look how you are treated. You really think they're going to pay anywhere near market?? I don't know why anyone would stick around.
Yes we do work for a low class management team. The NMB will not force them but maybe one day our pilot group will stop doing favors. That, coupled with the word being out that this is NOT a place ANY potential recruit should consider at this time...yes I DO expect them to pay us market rates.

As long as it takes or until the fire trucks are out of water. I’m ready.

DC7C 09-11-2018 08:24 PM
The best scenario..
 
Is for new hires to become scarce. Our job is to educate anyone who asks what a terrible mistake it would be to apply here...after all the public info, can’t understand why someone would do it, but hey...that’s life....spread the word...to EVERYONE within earshot about the terrible management, low morale and all around septic tank this place has become.....don’t sign that Behind the Music contract....


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