What are we doing?
09-11-2018 | 09:04 AM
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09-11-2018 | 09:14 AM
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Oh you mean like KG who would commute on a red eye to a different domicile than his and then fly fatigued all day. Or ED who would commute down to Mco and get a hotel on his own dime in the hopes of getting a VJA call. Or BW who is an open time *****, but will show up at picketing events. What a effing hypocrite! The fact these guys are still walking around this place is shameful. I’m sure there are plenty of others.
09-11-2018 | 09:23 AM
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09-11-2018 | 09:23 AM
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Common Sense Lesson of the Day
Sick Leave
As you all know, we've got some abusers of the sick leave language in the CBA. But for every one of them there are 10's of responsible pilots out there calling in sick for legitimate reasons. Barry's recent decree going after pilots for calling in sick too frequently seems to have made an impact as a bunch of you suddenly got a lot healthier. Be careful because, as mentioned yesterday, it should be all about reducing risk and protecting yourself in this current climate. If you are sick you are sick, period!. Furthermore, per the CBA:
The CBA goes on to define exactly what/who sick leave can and can not be used for.
And don't forget about this little CBA gem:
And as far as what the CBA says about a Doctor's Note?
Again, if you are sick you are sick. Nobody wants to fly with someone hacking up a lung for 4 days getting everyone else sick.
Flu season is coming up quickly too. Don't forget to get your flu shot. Free at target (and they'll give you $5.00 store credit!)
Sick Leave
As you all know, we've got some abusers of the sick leave language in the CBA. But for every one of them there are 10's of responsible pilots out there calling in sick for legitimate reasons. Barry's recent decree going after pilots for calling in sick too frequently seems to have made an impact as a bunch of you suddenly got a lot healthier. Be careful because, as mentioned yesterday, it should be all about reducing risk and protecting yourself in this current climate. If you are sick you are sick, period!. Furthermore, per the CBA:
"Sick leave is a form of insurance...to protect the Pilot and his income in the event of an unexpected non-work related illness, injury, accident or prolonged medical condition that prevents him from working."
15.A.1.a
Sick leave may not be used for planned doctor, dentist appointments or preventative care appointments. However, sick leave may be used for an initial doctor or dentist appointment that is the result of an unexpected illness or injury, scheduled follow-up visits may not be covered with sick leave.
Sick leave may not be used for planned doctor, dentist appointments or preventative care appointments. However, sick leave may be used for an initial doctor or dentist appointment that is the result of an unexpected illness or injury, scheduled follow-up visits may not be covered with sick leave.
15.A.1.b
Sick leave may be used to care for an immediate family member, including:
Sick leave may be used for injury/illness of a Pilot or family member.
• Spouse
• Domestic partners
• Children (including children of a domestic partner)
• Stepchildren (including children of a spouse or domestic partner)
• Daughter/son-in-law (including child's spouse or domestic partner)
• Parents
• Stepparents
• Mother/father-in-law (including parents of a domestic partner)
• Siblings
• Stepbrother/sister
• Sister/brother-in-law (including siblings of a domestic partner)
• Grandparents (does not include grandparent in-law)
• Grandchildren
Sick leave may be used to care for an immediate family member, including:
Sick leave may be used for injury/illness of a Pilot or family member.
• Spouse
• Domestic partners
• Children (including children of a domestic partner)
• Stepchildren (including children of a spouse or domestic partner)
• Daughter/son-in-law (including child's spouse or domestic partner)
• Parents
• Stepparents
• Mother/father-in-law (including parents of a domestic partner)
• Siblings
• Stepbrother/sister
• Sister/brother-in-law (including siblings of a domestic partner)
• Grandparents (does not include grandparent in-law)
• Grandchildren
15.B.4
"A Pilot may replenish his sick leave bank by picking up Open Time unless the Pilot subsequently Drops or calls in sick for that Open Time.......... If a Pilot wishes to replenish his sick leave bank, he must do so within the next 2 full Monthly Bid Periods of using such sick leave."
"A Pilot may replenish his sick leave bank by picking up Open Time unless the Pilot subsequently Drops or calls in sick for that Open Time.......... If a Pilot wishes to replenish his sick leave bank, he must do so within the next 2 full Monthly Bid Periods of using such sick leave."
15.E.4
"The Company retains the right to request that a Pilot, who is absent due to illness or injury, furnish the Company with a physician's certificate, describing the medical condition that resulted in the Pilot's absence. This request shall only be made when there is a reasonable basis to question the Pilot's absence."
"The Company retains the right to request that a Pilot, who is absent due to illness or injury, furnish the Company with a physician's certificate, describing the medical condition that resulted in the Pilot's absence. This request shall only be made when there is a reasonable basis to question the Pilot's absence."
Flu season is coming up quickly too. Don't forget to get your flu shot. Free at target (and they'll give you $5.00 store credit!)
09-11-2018 | 09:34 AM
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Oh, and "reasonable basis" for the Company "to question the Pilot's absence" is code for a pilot demonstrating a suspicious pattern of sick calls
Probably a bad idea if you live in SLC, but commute to DEN, to call in sick for your 6AM DEN-OMA-DEN turn but somehow recover enough to commute in to DEN by 11AM to rejoin your sequence. Especially if you do it every week for a month straight!
Common sense, right?
If you fall into the crosshairs of the Company in terms of questioning your absences, you are likely (1) abusing the SICK LEAVE language in the CBA or (2) are a perfect candidate for FMLA.
Don't let other pilots stupid actions deter you from utilizing your collectively bargained contractual rights!
Probably a bad idea if you live in SLC, but commute to DEN, to call in sick for your 6AM DEN-OMA-DEN turn but somehow recover enough to commute in to DEN by 11AM to rejoin your sequence. Especially if you do it every week for a month straight!
Common sense, right?
If you fall into the crosshairs of the Company in terms of questioning your absences, you are likely (1) abusing the SICK LEAVE language in the CBA or (2) are a perfect candidate for FMLA.
Don't let other pilots stupid actions deter you from utilizing your collectively bargained contractual rights!
- If you are sick you are sick
- If a family member is sick and you need to take care of them, then take care of them
- If you want to make up sick days then make up sick days
- If you or your family member has an illness or condition that causes you to miss work on a frequent or infrequent basis, apply for FMLA
09-11-2018 | 09:37 AM
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Speaking of FMLA, EVERYONE should be aware of what it is and how it works.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family...ve_Act_of_1993
https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/benefits-leave/fmla
https://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs28.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family...ve_Act_of_1993
https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/benefits-leave/fmla
https://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs28.pdf
09-11-2018 | 09:52 AM
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Related to the SLC commuter example I used above, we might as well review the Prudent Judgement Policy ("Commuter Clause") while we're at it.
Key Points:
A Pilot who follows the provisions of this policy shall not be subject to disciplinary action unless a pattern of inability to report on time has been established.
It will be the responsibility of the Pilot to make up any Pay Credits lost under this provision
When commuting by air, you must attempt to travel on at least 2 flights online and/or offline
Make sure to arrive to your domicile at least 1 hour prior to your scheduled Report Time.
Follow those rules and you are totally protected.
2.J
- A Pilot is expected to arrive at his Domicile or place of report with sufficient time and with adequate rest prior to beginning scheduled duty, allowing for factors such as adverse weather, traffic and flight loads. A Pilot who follows the provisions of this policy shall not be subject to disciplinary action unless a pattern of inability to report on time has been established.
- A Pilot who is unable to report to his Domicile or place of report as scheduled, due to an interruption in his travel plans, will notify Crew Scheduling as soon as possible. The Pilot shall return to work in accordance Section 15.E.3.
- Any Pay Credits lost under this section will be deducted from the Pilot's total monthly Pay Credits. It will be the responsibility of the Pilot to make up any Pay Credits lost under this provision if required by Section 5.L.3.
- A Pilot who travels by air will not be eligible for treatment under this policy unless he has attempted to travel on at least 2 flights online and/or offline. For offline travel the Pilot shall use all available information to select flights that show adequate seat availability within 24 hours of the departure. The seat availability shall be based on the type of travel planned by the Pilot (e.g. jumpseat, Non-Rev travel via interline agreement, etc.). For online travel the jumpseat shall be awarded in accordance with the Frontier Airlines jumpseat policy. In any case the flight(s) shall be scheduled to arrive at his Domicile at least 1 hour prior to his scheduled Report Time.
- A Pilot shall not avail himself of this policy to take advantage of irresponsible commuting.
A Pilot who follows the provisions of this policy shall not be subject to disciplinary action unless a pattern of inability to report on time has been established.
It will be the responsibility of the Pilot to make up any Pay Credits lost under this provision
When commuting by air, you must attempt to travel on at least 2 flights online and/or offline
Make sure to arrive to your domicile at least 1 hour prior to your scheduled Report Time.
Follow those rules and you are totally protected.
09-11-2018 | 09:58 AM
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One more post about the Prudent Judgment Policy.
Failed commutes do not qualify for usage of sick leave. Use the PRJ that was collectively bargained by your union for your benefit.
For the record, we currently have nearly 1300 pilots on the seniority list. Utilization of the PRJ is consistently in the single digits on a monthly basis. You all are either (1) doing an excellent job commuting (good for you - as it is your responsibility under the CBA to do so) or (2) not utilizing the PRJ as intended when it was negotiated.
Failed commutes do not qualify for usage of sick leave. Use the PRJ that was collectively bargained by your union for your benefit.
For the record, we currently have nearly 1300 pilots on the seniority list. Utilization of the PRJ is consistently in the single digits on a monthly basis. You all are either (1) doing an excellent job commuting (good for you - as it is your responsibility under the CBA to do so) or (2) not utilizing the PRJ as intended when it was negotiated.
09-11-2018 | 10:04 AM
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And now for my daily disclaimer, as I mentioned in the 1st post of this thread:
When the Company cancels vacations for 3 straight months, they are utilizing their rights under 8.G of the CBA to cancel vacations "when the needs of service necessitate the cancellation."
We can talk about cancelled vacations another time, but the point I'm making is that the Company is utilizing their collectively bargained right when they do this.
Similarly, Frontier Pilots need to understand ALL of their collectively bargained rights.
We need to have a little educational discussion amongst ourselves here at Frontier. No talk of illegal work actions or anything of the sort, but just some common sense discussion
We can talk about cancelled vacations another time, but the point I'm making is that the Company is utilizing their collectively bargained right when they do this.
Similarly, Frontier Pilots need to understand ALL of their collectively bargained rights.
