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09-11-2018 | 06:46 PM
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You do exactly what you were supposed to do. Show up for you originally scheduled flight...what else would you know to do?
09-11-2018 | 07:36 PM
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Depends. 2.g (5 or 6 I believe) is when they need to provide you a room. 5.p.3 is reassignment. You really should know what the company can and can’t do BEFORE you make any phone contact if that’s what your going to do. Also, if your going to challenge what thier trying to do its helpful to speak with a supervisor. Carries more weight in arbitration hearings. In the end if your 117 legal and contractually illegal it’s fly and grieve. If your 117 illegal call the duty phone.
09-11-2018 | 08:08 PM
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Be careful...
They are punitively showing people as no shows, and keeping the pay til grievance time, if there hasn’t been positive phone contact and a “reassignment” was left on your phone message. Also refer to the language on WHEN the flight cancels... If you report, for a sequence, and you “discover” it has cancelled, they have 1 hour to reassign you to a trip the that leaves within the next 3 or your considered released. ALWAYS SHOW UP and “discover” your cancellation. You must be “available” for reassignment, but what does that mean? You are under NO obligation to pick up a call. Remember POSITIVE PHONE CONTACT is the law of the land....For that matter NEVER USE YOUR PHONE FOR COMPANY BUSINESS!
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09-11-2018 | 08:29 PM
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Unfortunately, the language is messy as it was written well over a decade ago when every other flight passed back through Denver.
I suggest calling your union rep.
09-11-2018 | 10:01 PM
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5.P.3.g in the CBA describes how cancellations are handled "after a pilot has already reported for a Sequence."
Unfortunately, the language is messy as it was written well over a decade ago when every other flight passed back through Denver.
I suggest calling your union rep.
Unfortunately, the language is messy as it was written well over a decade ago when every other flight passed back through Denver.
I suggest calling your union rep.
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09-12-2018 | 01:58 AM
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5.p.3.g. Is currently disputed language. It’s really not messy but your correct in saying that it’s based on every other flight passing through den. I would just use caution and understand that if you agree to a flight that departs more than 3 hrs later (verbally without reading the language first) the company will argue they complied with the language. Your other option is to challenge the reassignment (professionally and preferably with a supervisor) then fly and grieve because thier going to say it’s contractually legal. This is all assuming they try and reassign you a flight that departs more than three hrs later and/or don’t notify you within one hr of cancellation or inbound flight (whichever is later). Screenshots of cancellations are helpful.
09-12-2018 | 03:44 AM
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Reassignment has to depart within 3 hours of your originally SCHEDULED departure time. So if they are delaying the cancellation for hours on end, it doesn't matter to you once you hit 3 hours past your original push back time. The contract says you just turned into a pumpkin.
09-12-2018 | 04:59 AM
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Not really. Read the contract concerning cancellations and the one hour rule. Then read the contract about positive phone contact. After that double check with the union while you’re heading home.
09-12-2018 | 05:09 AM
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09-12-2018 | 06:57 AM
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Not to dig too deep in to the messiness (application-wise) of that language, but...
So if cancelled at an outstation and NOT reassigned within 3 hours, how can a pilot be released and pay protected for the Sequence under this language? By definition, the Sequence ends with a legal rest break in the Pilot's domicile. Therefore, the Company has a contractual obligation to release you from your Sequence in domicile, not at the outstation. They must get you back to domicile. We've had pilots walk away and disappear until their next sequence at an outstation after a cancellation attempting to pound a square peg into the round hole that this language is.
Key here is since there is plenty of confusion about this language these days, CALL YOUR UNION reps if you have questions or concerns.
5.P.3
The Reassignment shall be for a flight that is scheduled to depart within 3 hours of the original departure time of the cancelled leg or the Pilot shall be released and pay protected for the Sequence.
Section 23:
Sequence - a series of flights over 1 or more days, which starts in the Pilot's Domicile and ends with a legal rest break in the Pilot's Domicile.
Sequence Release Time - the time of the end of duty in Domicile on the last day of a Sequence.
The Reassignment shall be for a flight that is scheduled to depart within 3 hours of the original departure time of the cancelled leg or the Pilot shall be released and pay protected for the Sequence.
Section 23:
Sequence - a series of flights over 1 or more days, which starts in the Pilot's Domicile and ends with a legal rest break in the Pilot's Domicile.
Sequence Release Time - the time of the end of duty in Domicile on the last day of a Sequence.
Key here is since there is plenty of confusion about this language these days, CALL YOUR UNION reps if you have questions or concerns.
