Class MIGHT resume in March. I am telling you, they are looking at pulling the plug on the March class. Hiring folks told me straight to my face at HQ that this was a possibility.

Otherwise..

They sent a video update stating that:
1. Cadet, RTP, and off the street FO apps were closed UFN. Their hiring pool is backlogged to hell and back so anyone that is without a CJO right now you are unable to apply.
2. New hire bonus is gone, unless you've already signed an offer letter that has the bonus offer in writing. I for example have one I signed that has the offer. They could easily re-offer me a new class date with no bonus, but pretty soon there will flat out be no bonuses offered period.

I consider myself extremely fortunate to be in the hiring pool already. Feel bad for the dudes I watched get turned away. I might have seen the last two CJO recipients for months get their CJOs, so that was cool.

I don't see this as a bad sign for the company but I do see it as a sign things really are slowing down.

The off the street FO app is still open.

LinkedIn shows 39 3 days ago.

Yeah that picture... So I thought people on here said it would only be like 20?

maybe 20 will actually show up?

Dude. Dream on. I did not count the number of new hires in the photo but it was definitely in the high 30s. With the regionals dialing back FO hiring and even some of the legacies doing so now as well, folks need to move past this weird fantasy that we are somehow going to run out of applicants. That ain’t gonna happen in the relevant future.

We have this funny idea that the people that don't work here are responsible for fighting our fight.

Yeah, I never understood the idea behind telling people to not advance their careers if possible. "Yeah hey, we are in negotiations so dont come here"

"ok now come here after you could have had 2 years seniority and 1k hrs of airbus time. Screw you and your career progression"

I personally would love to be a union volunteer.

I think training/hiring folks are aiming to slot everyone into classes for April and beyond, possibly March.

My hopes are that they don't cancel March.. But it is a distinct possibility. They probably do expect some guys in the pipeline to bail. Curious when we get the update where I will fall.. Expecting April or May at this point.

Seems they want a 50/50 split between cadet/RTP and OTS hires. Their feb class before cancellation was supposed to be 23 cadets, 17 OTS. I find that pretty surprising.

Yeah, it's kind of a tough ask but last time, it worked.

When people got mad at applicants I always told them that you can't assume every pilots knows what's going on here. If you're some corporate guy looking for a job and don't read this website, how the heck is he supposed to know that we are pushing to made the well dry up? He won't know, so it's not fair to hold it against new hires.

That being said, last time we were surprisingly effective at spreading the word and the applicant pool dried up.

it worked really well with that awesome contract you got.

Always happy to have you here to talk some sh|t.

Shes not an industry leader, but she's our contract!

And it was a massive improvement over where we were. I'm far wealthier today than I was back in those humble days. Thanks for your supportive words

welcome to SJU!

First, I have a hard time believing that The only person that knows what's going on is someone that doesn't even work for Frontier.
Secondly, my son is in the pool and hasn't receive this video you speak of.
Thirdly, Frontier said they are still accepting FO applications and I sent mine today. The Cadet and RTP applications have been closed for awhile.

Ive seen the video and it is directed at the pool pilots. Not stopping but “our pools are full…(we are) reducing hiring for a period of time to reduce the pipeline of pilots coming into Frontier….our Cadet program has exceeded our expectations.”

Also within the video is the confirmation that, “we are suspending the preemployment Bonus program until further notice.”

Looks like it was filmed within minutes of the anti-contract video we received.

I believe I misheard, I think it's just the RTP/Cadet apps being closed.

Everything else, largely confirmed.

I hope some of the CAs/mentors I've talked to are correct. Not encouraging when the dude who slots people in classes tells you a second new hire class might get cancelled. It's funny how some of the guys in training get the vibe that March and april will get canceled and line pilots seem to believe there will be two march classes. I hope they're right! lol

Just to clarify. If you’re referring to a previous post of mine I don’t think there will be two March classes. Just that they could be gearing up for that possible need in 2025.

Not just you. Multiple haha. Rumor is we'll hear an update on the 25th.

No new hire classes in February and possibly March. February vacancy will be to staff SJU. So the entire CA and FO SJU vacancy will be staffed with involuntary displacements. This just keeps getting better.

What terrible execution

1) youre right but in fairness people that work here don't have a clue until things are anounced either
2) does your son have an R-ATP coming up through one of the university or cadet programs? If not he probably wouldn't have been shown the video. Nothing has changed with traditional OTS hires except any future CJOs will not receive the bonus
3) you sent your app in and your son has a CJO? I'm not flaming you, that must be a unique story if you're following your son to the airlines. That doesn't happen much, must be a cool relationship you two have. You should go to a job fair and tell the recruiters that story, wouldn't be surprised if they use you two as a PR story...take advantage of that!

My son is an OTS prior 121 who has had his class pushed since October. I'm looking to make a career change. He used to mix and load for me when he was younger so we have always liked working together. So if I could sling gear for him just once it would be the coolest proud dad moment ever! I just put my app in hoping for a Sept or Oct class because I have committed flying this season. I just turned 58 so this is my first and only shot at finishing my career 121. I'm too old to sit reserve in a crash pad so I'm willing to move. Live in Dallas so that would be ok, would love to move back to Florida so that would work and I'm from Chicago and our families are there. Even Cleveland is back in Midwest so we would make it work.

I wanted to try to get the same class but when classes started getting pushed I had to commit or leave my present position. That might have been confusing since I'm a JR and he is a III.

I know several guys like you, I hope you get hired. Have a good season.

Thanks!!
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Hopefully I get an interview.

Anyone in or know where the current class expects to go?

You will get MIA or CLE then expect to get immediately displaced. WTF.

That is an endearing story. However, you seem a little tone deaf for a older fella that has real world experience. You may want to educate yourself as to what is going on at F9 regarding contract negotiations and how your choices effect the careers of current F9 pilots.

Yeah, don't you know you're less important than this guy? How dare you pursue your own dreams.

Welcome to the airlines :/

The great **** poor attitude of current pilots telling others not to pursue their careers/dreams.

Instead of telling them what to do, how about you help the current F9 pilot group and see yourself out? I am sure if more of you did that, we would get a contract quicker, just like telling people not to show up here. /s

If you don't like flying for F9 you should leave. Someone else wanting to work there should have no bearing on your life. I assure you it has no bearing on any contract negotiations. Flying for a ULCC and hoping the next contract gets you legacy pay doesn't work. Put your big boy pants on, update your logbooks and resume and get hired by a legacy.

They will all be getting involuntary displaced to San Juan, Puerto Rico when the next vacancy opens in 20 days.

Unfortunately I’m not kidding.

Hopefully new hire classes start again soon so they aren’t stuck commuting to reserve too long.

What a bottom barrel scumbag. Who the hell are you to tell others what they can and can't do.

"YoU'Re aFfEctInG mY caRrEeR!!"

So much cringe. Mods?

I was just suggesting some research. As a Cadet, you are on a BL inspired career progression equivalent of the Go Wild Pass.

nothing official yet but some guys at indoc are saying that the training/flight ops folks they've talked to have said there would be a march class, and a pretty big one at that.

I asked my recruiter if the offer letter I held was still valid for the march class and he said yes and that 'once classes for the next few months are set' I'd hear from them to schedule my ATP CTP. From what I'm able to gather, the decision has been made to have a March class, and they're structuring the next quarter of classes. I suspect based on what they told us the week prior that by the end of this week, folks in the hiring pool will get updated on what's going on for March, April and May.

better schedule your Spanish emersion class.....SJU

Right.

The new hires should really focus their studying on: Limitations, Memory Items, Lights and Switches, Profiles, Flows and Spanish

I couldn't imagine knowing no spanish and getting displaced to SJU.... a joke.

Everyone speaks English down there. You'll be fine.