Hiring / training
 

With new contract do I still need to get my own hotel and transport to training?

Yes. No changes from the old contract for new hire lodging/transportation. The company views you as DEN based until you’re done with sims.

Does that include indoc, or is indoc put in hotel? Thanks!

Including Indoc. For all your initial training, with one potential exception. If anyone in your class is offered sim training outside Denver (this includes our main SSS training facility and United training center), those few people will have paid hotels near that sim facility; the most likely would be the Airbus facility in Miami. I think it has been a while since any new hires have gotten sims outside Denver so I wouldn’t count on it; although the training numbers are big for 2019 so it’s possible.

The January class has a few going to MIA.

A few people may go to MIA and be provided a hotel, but this is going to be few and far between. 1 of our 3 simulators is temporarily down. When it's back up, I assume most if not all training will be done in Denver... with no hotel provided. Plan accordingly

Appreciate the responses, thanks!

So people are buying a car for 2 months and paying for hotels....

One guy I talked to split an AirBnB for two months with a few classmates. Dont know about the car.

More than a few new hires will have driven their own car to Denver for training. Make friends with those people and make sure they never pay for their own drinks and work out a carpool.

The union wasn’t going to waste negotiating capital on new hire hotels, so as for now no change.
I expect it will but when? Word is applicants went up 300% after the TA. So as long as there is a a lot of applicants I suspect it won’t change.
I drove to Denver, it’s worth it to drive. You will get a class list with emails of classmates. I emailed everyone on the list and found several interested in sharing a place. Three of us split a condo within 5 minutes of training. Cheaper then hotel, more $ then a crash pad. It was an investment imo in my training to have a good comfortable place to stay.
There are several places like airbnb you can find places.

They didn’t want to waste negotiating capital on anything. That’s their excuse for everything. Per diem, having to pay for flica access, id90 benefits, min day, new hire hotels, the list goes on and on. All the little things add up.

I have a suspicion that once the company goes live with their scheduling app that remote access to flica will no longer be an option. They want us all using that app and I expect that will be the leverage they use. Want to see your schedule while not on a company computer? Download the app 😡

Wasting negotiating capital on what?.........INDUSTRY BOTTOM DEAL?

Get another job blood sucking leach!!

What blood do you speak of?
Wouldn’t the 77% proud F9 fighting warriors be the industry parasites for latching onto NK and not raising the bar?

Did F9 raise the bar?

Anyone have the proposed hiring numbers for 2019?

300

Filler.

This, pending any delays in aircraft deliveries. We have 12 retirements in 2019, so its all growth hiring.

Do you have numbers of retirement going forward as well?

Pardon me doing this so sloppily

2019
12
12
10
12
17
17
30
31
24
39
38
40
42
43
62
54
62

That's each year from 2019 thru 2035

Thanks!

Filler

What percentage of the pilot group is actively trying to leave for a legacy do you think?

Less now for sure. But, I still think there is a fair amount, especially younger people, that are still looking to move to a legacy.

A lot of rhetoric was that if you want to be paid like DL/UA/SW, then work for them. I'm still keeping my apps up to date, I'm just getting paid like a real professional in the mean time.

Not many. I think they strategically hired people who would stay based off primarily age and experience. Just my observations.

With the aggressive pickup that reserves can do, is it possible to pickup in a base you are not assigned? So a commuter might not have to commute?

No. Possibly on off days, but definitely not on reserve days.

Huh? This makes no sense. ..... now calling biffster and the boys this DOES make sense.

Line holder can do that WRT trips open >24h, but not reserves. Plenty of DEN residents who can’t hold it do this, but only garbage/awful credit is open after 24 hours imho.

Delta and United have both hired NK FOs with 0 PIC, and as a rough guess anyone who will be at a legacy twice as long as he's been at NK will be better of leaving as far as seniority and money is concerned. Don't think the numbers would be very different for F9.

How big are the classes this year ?

28-30 per class each month based upon the hiring goal of 300 for 2019. But as many will point out, we usually fall short of the target numbers advertised by the hiring folks. Every airframe being delivered on time will have a large effect on the need for 300 new pilots.

Most likely 2 classes of 24 each a month and about half that in upgrades.
Latest vacancy bid has 20 captain slots
Now whether or not they can actually train that volume is yet tbd.
Supposed to hire at least 300 this year and 15 net aircraft deliveries.
Those are the numbers I have heard thrown around.

Thanks guys.

I believe it, but things have changed a lot in the last few years.

Anybody have any help or insight on getting an interview with F9. I'm currently at the regionals now with 2100 TT and about 1300 TPIC. Do I need more TT to even be considered and more 121 experience or internal? Or both? Thanks!

Meet the Chiefs
 

Yup..
Attend one of the Meet the Chiefs events. Next one is in Chicago in a couple of weeks.
You’ll get to meet HR and have time to make a good impression.
PM me if you need more..

Ask for a silver bullet from a current Frontier pilot if you know any.

Do they not publish updated seniority list every month anymore?

39 in the Feb class so far