Premium Folder language being violated
#12
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Because as soon as a lineholder grabs a Premium trip, the grid opens a little, allowing someone to drop into the same DIO time frame. Then that trip becomes available to someone for Premium. Reserves therefore are less likely to be used, which should be the POINT! Keep reserves for last minute stuff.
They may not like it, but they negotiated it. If the union somehow waters this down it will be a real shame.
Not only does this preserve reserves which protects the operation, it discourages DIOs except when very necessary. It's good they have to pay us to keep the place running!
#13
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Bottom line is, we did good on this provision of our contract wrt DIO. Because even if they fix it so that Premium folder counts against the reserve grids, we still win.
Because as soon as a lineholder grabs a Premium trip, the grid opens a little, allowing someone to drop into the same DIO time frame. Then that trip becomes available to someone for Premium. Reserves therefore are less likely to be used, which should be the POINT! Keep reserves for last minute stuff.
They may not like it, but they negotiated it. If the union somehow waters this down it will be a real shame.
Not only does this preserve reserves which protects the operation, it discourages DIOs except when very necessary. It's good they have to pay us to keep the place running!
Because as soon as a lineholder grabs a Premium trip, the grid opens a little, allowing someone to drop into the same DIO time frame. Then that trip becomes available to someone for Premium. Reserves therefore are less likely to be used, which should be the POINT! Keep reserves for last minute stuff.
They may not like it, but they negotiated it. If the union somehow waters this down it will be a real shame.
Not only does this preserve reserves which protects the operation, it discourages DIOs except when very necessary. It's good they have to pay us to keep the place running!
Agreed that the provision was negotiated to drive flying to lineholders and save reserves, but I would argue that moving flying to the PAF thus freeing up the DAG allowing lineholders to drop flying at straight time, then turn right back around and pick it back up at 150% was an unintended consequence, and it will be addressed.
Before you jump down my throat, they did agree to it, but we also agreed to things that lead to unintended consequences that the company has already addressed to our benefit. The honeymoon wont last forever, but lets not try to blow sh!t up in the short term. If we can work together to everyone's benefit, that is what we should do.
#14
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Agreed that the provision was negotiated to drive flying to lineholders and save reserves, but I would argue that moving flying to the PAF thus freeing up the DAG allowing lineholders to drop flying at straight time, then turn right back around and pick it back up at 150% was an unintended consequence, and it will be addressed.
Before you jump down my throat, they did agree to it, but we also agreed to things that lead to unintended consequences that the company has already addressed to our benefit. The honeymoon wont last forever, but lets not try to blow sh!t up in the short term. If we can work together to everyone's benefit, that is what we should do.
Before you jump down my throat, they did agree to it, but we also agreed to things that lead to unintended consequences that the company has already addressed to our benefit. The honeymoon wont last forever, but lets not try to blow sh!t up in the short term. If we can work together to everyone's benefit, that is what we should do.
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#16
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Agreed that the provision was negotiated to drive flying to lineholders and save reserves, but I would argue that moving flying to the PAF thus freeing up the DAG allowing lineholders to drop flying at straight time, then turn right back around and pick it back up at 150% was an unintended consequence, and it will be addressed.
Before you jump down my throat, they did agree to it, but we also agreed to things that lead to unintended consequences that the company has already addressed to our benefit. The honeymoon wont last forever, but lets not try to blow sh!t up in the short term. If we can work together to everyone's benefit, that is what we should do.
Before you jump down my throat, they did agree to it, but we also agreed to things that lead to unintended consequences that the company has already addressed to our benefit. The honeymoon wont last forever, but lets not try to blow sh!t up in the short term. If we can work together to everyone's benefit, that is what we should do.
One way to remedy it would be to pay all flying during a DIO at 150% whether on your schedule or picked up.
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Reserve pilots flying on a combo of rsv days and days off being paid all rig over guarantee. There are a number of new provisions in the reassignment letter that benefit us, eg 1 hour 3hours to name a couple
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We paid for these new provisions with near industry low pay rates and initial retirement contribution percentage. That’s the whole reason I personally voted yes. The overall language makes up for the low end pay rates.
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Been discussed here plenty of times before. The reassignment language is nearly the most liberal in the business. DAL, AA, have vowed to rid themselves of their own in the next contract due to it being abused.
#20
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Reserve pilots flying on days off because the hourly’s not where it should be. Plus this slows us from growing the seniority list.
Been discussed here plenty of times before. The reassignment language is nearly the most liberal in the business. DAL, AA, have vowed to rid themselves of their own in the next contract due to it being abused.
Been discussed here plenty of times before. The reassignment language is nearly the most liberal in the business. DAL, AA, have vowed to rid themselves of their own in the next contract due to it being abused.
I don’t mind most reassignments, but don’t mess with my time off. That includes overnights at home (I’m a commuter and bid for them) and my pairing end time. I bid for commutability and often times a 3 hour delay will cost me a night at home.
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