Airbus FCOM
08-03-2019, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by NWSteeringArmer
Airlines use different procedures to keep uniformity across the fleet if they have multiple types... we say “flaps zero, after take off check”... delta says “slats retract”... they say that on airbus and boeing to keep transition between types easier and more fluid... I have no idea why us, allegiant, jetblue and spirit would have different procedures or calls
08-04-2019, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
The truth is, most airlines have way more data than the manufacturer. Airlines conduct more flights with a greater variety of pilots (not a small team of test pilots). If a procedure isn't working well, an airline will discover it long before the manufacturer.
The goal of the manufacturer isn't to produce the best procedures, it is to produce procedures that work for that specific aircraft. Sometimes the specific manufacturer procedures conflict with an airline's general operating philosophy.
The goal of the manufacturer isn't to produce the best procedures, it is to produce procedures that work for that specific aircraft. Sometimes the specific manufacturer procedures conflict with an airline's general operating philosophy.
You can make a few changes. Most Airbus operators do. But why reinvent the wheel? Why say "all green" instead of "no blue"?
Why would you force land a 320 after a dual engine failure at flap 3 when the manufacturer tells you its better at flap 2?
Or why do I have to switch on the emergency lights prior to shutting down the engines when doing an evacuation?
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08-04-2019, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by NWSteeringArmer
Airlines use different procedures to keep uniformity across the fleet if they have multiple types... we say “flaps zero, after take off check”... delta says “slats retract”... they say that on airbus and boeing to keep transition between types easier and more fluid... I have no idea why us, allegiant, jetblue and spirit would have different procedures or calls
if a pilot has to make a transition from a 1960 airplane to a 320, not having to learn "reverse, decel" instead of "spoilers up" is going to make his/her life easier?
08-05-2019, 09:39 AM
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NW Steering is correct. Other airlines do things to keep standardization company wide. F9 makes changes for the sake of changes or for a new person to make their mark. To only change it back.
Originally Posted by Aero1900
I may be a bit of a nerd, but I'm not such a nerd that I spend my free time studying the differences between the FCOM and our SOPs.
However, I have always found it interesting how much leeway airlines have to operate their aircraft differently from how the manufacturer recommends. How and why airlines just make up their own procedures has always kind of baffled me. Seems to me, every airline should operate more or less the same. But I've been on other airlines jumpseats and not really been sure what the heck they were doing. On a plane I'm typed in
However, I have always found it interesting how much leeway airlines have to operate their aircraft differently from how the manufacturer recommends. How and why airlines just make up their own procedures has always kind of baffled me. Seems to me, every airline should operate more or less the same. But I've been on other airlines jumpseats and not really been sure what the heck they were doing. On a plane I'm typed in
08-06-2019, 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Flymonkey10
NW Steering is correct. Other airlines do things to keep standardization company wide. F9 makes changes for the sake of changes or for a new person to make their mark. To only change it back.
Reference our most recent “Tiger Team” changes. Same 4 items on the after takeoff (silent) checklist and they rearranged the order. Why? Numerous examples of checklists with the same stuff and a different order.
Has anyone noticed that we can’t land or takeoff on “narrow” runways anymore?
08-06-2019, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by OpenClimb
Quoted for truth.
Reference our most recent “Tiger Team” changes. Same 4 items on the after takeoff (silent) checklist and they rearranged the order. Why? Numerous examples of checklists with the same stuff and a different order.
Has anyone noticed that we can’t land or takeoff on “narrow” runways anymore?
Reference our most recent “Tiger Team” changes. Same 4 items on the after takeoff (silent) checklist and they rearranged the order. Why? Numerous examples of checklists with the same stuff and a different order.
Has anyone noticed that we can’t land or takeoff on “narrow” runways anymore?
We can for another day.
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