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Aero1900 11-02-2019 09:29 PM


Originally Posted by CrewRest (Post 2916933)
Maybe they will require aviator sunglasses to wear w/ the hat and jacket!! :D:D

And cowboy boots

Salukipilot4590 11-02-2019 09:33 PM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 2916948)
And cowboy boots

Don't knock em till you try em!

Aero1900 11-03-2019 04:54 AM


Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590 (Post 2916949)
Don't knock em till you try em!

I wasnt knocking them. I was just thinking how discombobulated a uniform it would be to have cowboy boots, slacks, a North Face, aviators and a pilot hat. Maybe a mullet or a man bun would be appropriate

Wheelswatch 11-03-2019 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 2917020)
I wasnt knocking them. I was just thinking how discombobulated a uniform it would be to have cowboy boots, slacks, a North Face, aviators and a pilot hat. Maybe a mullet or a man bun would be appropriate

Case in point why this whole Karbon; but only if you wear a hat. And if not then you can wear the trench with or without a hat is completely silly.

By definition a "uniform" should be, ...well uniform.

Ditch the trench, if that's important to them, and dictate either Karbon, or Blazer. No hat required. Simple.

monkeybrains 11-03-2019 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by Wheelswatch (Post 2917065)
Case in point why this whole Karbon; but only if you wear a hat. And if not then you can wear the trench with or without a hat is completely silly.

By definition a "uniform" should be, ...well uniform.

Ditch the trench, if that's important to them, and dictate either Karbon, or Blazer. No hat required. Simple.

As soon as they “dictate” it is considered a change to the uniform and they have to pay for it. As much as Barry wants everyone to look sharp and uniform, he doesn’t want it enough to pay for it. Thus the absurdity of this whole process.

Wheelswatch 11-03-2019 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by monkeybrains (Post 2917073)
As soon as they “dictate” it is considered a change to the uniform and they have to pay for it. As much as Barry wants everyone to look sharp and uniform, he doesn’t want it enough to pay for it. Thus the absurdity of this whole process.

Oh I agree. They would have to pay for all of it!

ReserveCA 11-03-2019 06:30 AM

Bla bla bla............
Until the “palace” starts supporting $$$$$$ gate a n ramp our “appearance “ means NOTHING when the operation is a joke.

FlyingR6 11-03-2019 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by DrJekyll MrHyde (Post 2916931)
$420k pays the annual salary of one of their VPs; they’re not going to express that kind of good will.

You're definitely not wrong here, however, that kind of money pays for.. like 60 flights worth of fuel, 2 weeks of hotels, how many tires and oil cans we go through?

It's a cost of doing business.

They do everything in bad faith, that's the problem.

Cardinal 11-04-2019 02:25 PM

We conceded $7 million for (among other things) optional hats back in 2008. It was a negotiated, ratified, and signed agreement. Let us not forget the history.

DrJekyll MrHyde 11-04-2019 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by Cardinal (Post 2917877)
We conceded $7 million for (among other things) optional hats back in 2008. It was a negotiated, ratified, and signed agreement. Let us not forget the history.

I do think there is an argument to be made by our union that the company introduced a new uniform option that they claim is outside the contract by declaring that “it’s optional.” The “it’s optional” slippery slope that could be used against us in many areas of the contract that are far more important than hats! This is the union’s fight, I wouldn’t protest it out on the line by being out of compliance.


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