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Pilottim79 05-16-2020 10:18 PM


Originally Posted by RustyChain (Post 3057694)
can't get market share if there is no market. So I'm gonna keep my fingers crossed on that.
I'm really happy I work here vs any other passanger airline though

I wonder with the increase in CASM from the legacies if they don't pull service to reduce supply and thus increase ticket prices.

I think that is a scenario where we would lick our chops.

Aero1900 05-17-2020 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by Pilottim79 (Post 3057893)
I wonder with the increase in CASM from the legacies if they don't pull service to reduce supply and thus increase ticket prices.

I think that is a scenario where we would lick our chops.

The big airlines are definitely cutting service. They are retiring tons of older planes. The question is, will the demand come back quickly enough that their reduced fleet allows us to grab market share that wasn't easy pickins before?

The legacies believe the demand will be down for a while, so for them it makes sense to retire older fleets like 757s and MD80s. There is certainly a chance that we will be in a position to grow with less competitive going forward

Chief Brody 05-17-2020 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3057985)
The big airlines are definitely cutting service. They are retiring tons of older planes. The question is, will the demand come back quickly enough that their reduced fleet allows us to grab market share that wasn't easy pickins before?

The legacies believe the demand will be down for a while, so for them it makes sense to retire older fleets like 757s and MD80s. There is certainly a chance that we will be in a position to grow with less competitive going forward

I would like to know what percentage of legacy domestic passengers are from international connections and or "alliance" code-share type ticket sales. That market is tanked for a while.
I think our business model will do fine and will be able to go into and out of markets like we always have. Our biggest threat will be the lobby groups and politicians, the likes of which we have already seen.

madmax757 05-17-2020 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by Chief Brody (Post 3058311)
Our biggest threat will be the lobby groups and politicians, the likes of which we have already seen.

Well don’t forget - “ the politicians” are the reason thousands of airline employees are getting paid till Oct 1. There would probably be close to 10,000 pilots laid off by now if it wasn’t for the cares act. - and a few hundred from our little airline. I feel pretty fortunate to be getting paid Quite a bite of $ to have zero responsibility on the Cola.

FNGFO 05-17-2020 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by madmax757 (Post 3058343)
Well don’t forget - “ the politicians” are the reason thousands of airline employees are getting paid till Oct 1. There would probably be close to 10,000 pilots laid off by now if it wasn’t for the cares act. - and a few hundred from our little airline. I feel pretty fortunate to be getting paid Quite a bite of $ to have zero responsibility on the Cola.

You understand that you’re getting paid because the airlines constitute vital infrastructure, and because the politicos in power want certain aspects of the economy ready fo roll when things open back up right? Having 10,000+ furloughed airline pilots and a couple of major airlines in BK or out and out failing would hamper that.

They didn’t do it out of the kindness of their hearts.

MtnPeakCruiser 05-17-2020 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by madmax757 (Post 3058343)
Well don’t forget - “ the politicians” are the reason thousands of airline employees are getting paid till Oct 1. There would probably be close to 10,000 pilots laid off by now if it wasn’t for the cares act. - and a few hundred from our little airline. I feel pretty fortunate to be getting paid Quite a bite of $ to have zero responsibility on the Cola.

Could we have gotten completely screwed? Sure. And you can feel fortunate that your own tax dollars were re-directed into our industry. But the politicians are NOT the reason we have a safety net, they don’t even personally fund it; thank the blood sucking scumbag lobbyists (maybe some of the very ones that ALPA or the Big 4 hired) because that’s how our government works.

Aero1900 05-17-2020 09:21 PM


Originally Posted by MtnPeakCruiser (Post 3058385)
thank the blood sucking scumbag lobbyists

Thank you.

Seriously. 30+ million people have lost their jobs and I'm getting paid to sit home and do nothing. It's a miracle of corporate lobbying in our favor. And with strong bipartisan support

Notarealpilot 05-18-2020 04:03 AM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3058549)
Thank you.

Seriously. 30+ million people have lost their jobs and I'm getting paid to sit home and do nothing. It's a miracle of corporate lobbying in our favor. And with strong bipartisan support

if you’re getting paid to sit at home I’d be thanking our union.

HulkaBurger 05-18-2020 05:25 AM


Originally Posted by Notarealpilot (Post 3058600)
if you’re getting paid to sit at home I’d be thanking our union.

The union had absolutely nothing to do with the CARES act which is why people are getting paid to sit at home.

Punkah Louvre 05-18-2020 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by HulkaBurger (Post 3058647)
The union had absolutely nothing to do with the CARES act which is why people are getting paid to sit at home.

TSA numbers still ticking up.
The Holy Grail of recovery is a vaccine. There's been some very positive news on that front today.
As hamfisted and disjointed political approaches we have seen so far; I have a huge amount of confidence in US medical research & development to solve this.


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