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Is Indigo deferring orders? Canceling orders?

No
As a matter of fact they are going to be poised to jump right in and absorb the left over capacity from the groundings of all of AAs RJs and old airframes.

My understanding was that the deliveries were delayed due to a stop in production because their Chinese distributors were out of commission. It's good timing for a delay in deliveries!

I would think this would be a 3 month delay or so. Let's hope only that. I think we can really pounce coming out of this and gain big market share especially if we take a no interest loan. That would lower our CASM to a level that the legacies would be really challenged to compete with.

I guess that you won't mind if the legacy guys give you the finger?

It's poor form to gloat concerning what you consider to be opportunities when others are losing their jobs. Especially when those guys have been cheering on your pay raise.

Seriously? You know that is not what he meant. Do you know how many times I get asked where I have my apps out and when I am coming to a major when jumpseating on a legacy? How about I flip the bird to the next guy who asks that question to me?

i don’t see that as gloating
We are in a lot worse case than a legacy pilot.
The legacies will eventually be risen from the dead like they always are. If you have a seniority number at one of the three you’ll eventually be back to work. Smaller airlines, not so much. It is either make or break for us. So please don’t come on our forum and call people names. All we are trying to do is stay positive and applaud our leaders for good decisions.
good luck to us all

very well said. Let’s stay 💪🏼. Frontier Strong

Lighten up, Francis. Also, a Southwest is not a Legacy.

Go fill up your wife’s water dish and leave us alone.

It looks like you guys finally woke up a realized this is serious, no more jacket discussions or other inane nonsense. I don't want anyone to lose their jobs. I remember living through the failed acquisition by Southwest where about 40% of us where looking at unemployment followed by preferential interviews at SWA when the purchase was complete. So don't get all bent out of shape when someone is optimistic that F9 might do ok.

I didn't mean to offend anyone by objectively discussing the financial realities of the airline industry. I don't wish ill upon anyone. I do hope my own airline does succeed though.

Bwipilot, why are you here? Did you come looking for trouble and bummed you couldn’t find any?

Any chance the company ends up canceling Airbus orders? The entirely U.S. airline industry is at an overcapacity right now. Then again, ULCCs could exploit market share potentially once we rebound. It'd be interesting to be a fly on the wall at some of the Indigo meetings right now...

My money is on them keeping the orders unless they were no longer able to afford it. Having a grip on those orders is win/win for Indigo. Either the airplanes come to F9 in the future (as we all hope) and make Indigo money that way, or they can make a pretty penny leasing them out through one of their leasing partners. Before the pandemic, the wait for a new 320 series Airbus was somewhere around 5 years from order date, if I recall correctly. There will be winners at the end of this pandemic, even if F9 isn’t one of them. I don’t think it will be overly difficult for Indigo to find eager lessors/buyers for some shiny new Airbii.

For what it’s worth, I honestly believe we will come out as one of the winners...

My money is on all the new airframes coming and Indigo also buys someone else on the way out of this.

ULCCs don’t suffer from over capacity. When everyone’s fares are $39 we are making money.

If I had the choice on a $40 fare on Delta or $40 fare on Frontier, I’m sure not choosing Frontier.

I’m choosing whatever flight best matches when I want to travel. That’s pretty much what I’ve always done with equal prices.

Is that sustainable for delta? And for how long?

Of course not, but how long can Delta sell $40 fares and stay in business? For Frontier...if the plane fills up its basically indefinitely. Thats the point.

For the OP https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKCN21Q2LR

Did I miss something? Is Delta selling tickets for $40 bucks? They really are in trouble. At least Frontier makes money doing it. Maybe Buffet heard about this brainiac idea and decided to cut his losses and dump his shares.

I wouldn’t look too hard to find wisdom in any comment made by someone who uses a tail number for their anonymous chat forum handle, especially when that aircraft was last registered by William King of West Falls NY in 2006 and his APC account was created in 2014. You might as well you use your SSN for your handle.

There have been quite a few legacy trolls (or “legacy” trolls in the case of BWIpilot) floating around the lowly forums of the ULCCs.

Looks like a legacy guy that’s been looking down on everyone else is about to get furloughed because his company can’t afford a $39 fare and still make money... welcome to our thread buddy. I can promise you not one of these guys will give you sympathy after that nose up comment.

You all sound like Apollo 8 Commander Frank Bormann, who went on to be Eastern’s CEO. How’d that work out? Moral of the story is pilots make really bad airline CEOs as in most of you have no clue as to what you’re talking about regarding the industry going forward.

Cool story bro

Yeah, a brief glance at the history of the industry makes it apparent that most airline CEO’s make....bad airline CEO’s. In fact, I’d wager that the number of individuals who never piloted anything other than a paper airplane and ended up being lousy airline CEO’s far exceeds the number of pilots who managed the same feat.

The reality is that you yourself criticize everyone from the president to the postman on a daily basis without having deep insight into their jobs either. And the current pandemic clearly illustrates that those chief executives you deem pilots so unworthy of questioning couldn’t see the future coming for jack ****** either.

Voluntary vacation travel is likely going to be depressed for the next 1.5-2 years.

Business travel will return to some extent, but not where it was pre-convid.

I believe the seat inventory is far to great in the industry to support added airframes in the near term. Best guess is that orders will be deferred or canceled.

I disagree on the idea that voluntary vacation travel. I feel that will be one of the first things back. When all the vacation destinations open back up people are going to want to get out of the house and for the lowest cost.

Yes, but not at risk to their personal health. Especially in a 3rd world country with questionable healthcare. I think it will stay down significantly until people have been vaccinated en masse. Until then demand will likely be greatly suppressed. That is probably 18-24 months away.

I assume you have applied to Atlas since there is no business for Frontier any time soon or in the near future. If what you say is true then you should bail bra!!

Or are you gonna tough it out ?
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In the few years I’ve been here I’ve never ever seen a place where pilots stab each other in the back so much. Pathetic

Wait.....seriously? All of your aviation career...possibly including regional flying and THIS is what does it?

Really?

who is stabbing who in the back??

Oh I’m here to stay. Even if I get furloughed I’ll be coming back when recalled. In spite of my pessimism over the next couple years, I’m optimistic on our long term future.

nope. The place is like high school. Management all superficial and fake. The Vegas CP is the biggest ass kisser. Call him on the duty phone and he is a total prick.

The PHL CP is a weasel. Even looks like one. Smile to your face and stab ya in the back

Falco sorry you didn’t get the job, your life will be ok though. Other jobs will come around once this over. Just chill man. If by some miracle you are on the seniority list it’s time to move on man.
No need to come on our forum and spew nonsense. It’s not going to help.

Lololol. The Vegas CP has bent of backwards for me, and A LOT of people I personally know. Hes a great guy.

You wake up in the morning and meet an @hole, he's the prick. You wake in the morning an everyone you meet is an @hole, you're the prick.

Yes I agree, the Vegas CP is a class act.

^^ +1

filler

Yeah, Look in the mirror. There's your problem. Fix it.