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#32
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No, that's a CASM growth reduction. JB is planning to NET 700 new hires for 2022. Is 700/4500 more or less than 11%?
The company got out ahead of it's skis with how many flights they put out for sale, and are now having to reduce CASM growth, but not reducing hiring plans.
The company got out ahead of it's skis with how many flights they put out for sale, and are now having to reduce CASM growth, but not reducing hiring plans.
#33
I am absolutely sure neither F9 or NK can grow like they were planning if both are around. If only one is around they can do that for longer, and attract people because of it. Just my opinion, and worth what you paid for it.
#35
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For his sake and a lot of the other new egomaniacs over there I hope it goes through with NK. I feel bad for the NK guys. Terrible situation to sort out the seniority in MCO and FLL.
12yr upgrade to reserve at JetBlueballs in MCO and less than 7 at NK?
They're cutting their summer schedule due to lack of being able to handle their schedule, so hey, let's buy another airline and take on another couple hundred airframes, that'll save us.
#36
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From: Airbus Capt
Don't mind the troll. He's been running his mouth about F9 for years. His company is now at the bottom and trying to stay relevant.
For his sake and a lot of the other new egomaniacs over there I hope it goes through with NK. I feel bad for the NK guys. Terrible situation to sort out the seniority in MCO and FLL.
12yr upgrade to reserve at JetBlueballs in MCO and less than 7 at NK?
They're cutting their summer schedule due to lack of being able to handle their schedule, so hey, let's buy another airline and take on another couple hundred airframes, that'll save us.
For his sake and a lot of the other new egomaniacs over there I hope it goes through with NK. I feel bad for the NK guys. Terrible situation to sort out the seniority in MCO and FLL.
12yr upgrade to reserve at JetBlueballs in MCO and less than 7 at NK?
They're cutting their summer schedule due to lack of being able to handle their schedule, so hey, let's buy another airline and take on another couple hundred airframes, that'll save us.
#37
The REAL Bluedriver
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From: Airbus Capt
Yes, but not in the way you think I do. I think if JB/NK merge there will be very little growth for years. BECAUSE of that, F9 will be able to expand more, and has airplane orders to do that. Because of that they will have less problems hiring than the JB/NK combo. Growth attracts people a lot more than stagnation. Yes JB rates are higher than F9, but upgrading in base and holding a line 5 years earlier makes up for it. Obviously results from the past don't guarantee the same in the future, but for a lot of the guys that I see leaving NK it is because they were expecting to hold a line in base as a captain in 3 years, just like I did. Obviously it will stop at some point, nothing can double every 3 years forever. But people right now are leaving because of lack of growth with no retirements to make up for it.
I am absolutely sure neither F9 or NK can grow like they were planning if both are around. If only one is around they can do that for longer, and attract people because of it. Just my opinion, and worth what you paid for it.
I am absolutely sure neither F9 or NK can grow like they were planning if both are around. If only one is around they can do that for longer, and attract people because of it. Just my opinion, and worth what you paid for it.
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From: Airbus Capt
I think you and I agree on many things. I do not believe JB+NK will stagnate, unless the pilot shortage is so acute they have no choice. I believe they have every desire and intention to grow faster, if they can staff it. The demand for our product is definitely there. It's an open question as to whether management will do what it takes to staff the company, but we may just do it for them with an industry leading JCBA (if this even happens).
They are trying to net 15% growth in JB pilots this year, so definitely not stagnation. And JB+NK will also have considerable orders on hand.
Hopefully we all get an answer soon as to which way this train is gonna pull out of the station.
They are trying to net 15% growth in JB pilots this year, so definitely not stagnation. And JB+NK will also have considerable orders on hand.
Hopefully we all get an answer soon as to which way this train is gonna pull out of the station.
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