Survey
 

Has anything changed since last survey round?

Scope
LTD
Work rules
Pay
Hotel

Are there any changes in priority or order? What else?

it helps to be a little more specific. If they call me.

scope-im not sure there’s a problem with current book? If there is can you point it out?

LTD- 5 items, dc contributions, company paid insurance premiums, outside w2 doesn’t count against the benefit, own occupation, increase the amount keeping in mind your not getting over 60% of w2. Ours is based on guarantee nk has a 12 month w2 look back I believe? The problem with look back is if you upgraded in the past 12 months.

Work rules- redeye override, some sort of nk x/y system for premium. A fix for the 3 day 10 hr credit trips.

Pay- fix the slope and a higher dos % increases going forward. 3% doesn’t work for at least the first few years. Sun country got 6% year 3 I believe.

hotel-language is actually pretty good but this needs to be fought through hotel complaint forms. Any suggestions on language others have?

I'd like to see some improved:

- LTD language

- Sick time usage protection/PTO or something that allows us to use paid time off/ sick without fear of discipline. Or maybe able to sell sick time back? I don't know

-16+ % DC fund

- No increase in health care costs

- No vacation concessions of any sort and hopefully gain a 5th week at 15 years of service

I wonder what the survey questions will even be?

Good things above like the LTD and pay slope, a little lower on the list, but important, some reserve help. Most notably a "bad day, worse day" or whatever you want to call it for reserve day trading. Plus, an auto release like NK would be swell.

Individual healthcare costs are capped as a % right now. Can’t remember the % but it’s around 30%. There was no cap previously. Maybe lower that % a bit to match whatever it’s currently at. Mid 20ish %. Nk has a max annual increase of 4% but I don’t believe they have a cap? We were also able to lock in coverage on all existing medical procedures in the current agreement.

Min day, get rid of min duty average. Tired of flying 3 day redeyes for 10 hrs.

They were something like; how satisfied with your MEC are you? How satisfied with management are you? Do you want more get togethers? Do you like the correspondence frequency and methods? There was only one question on what you want in the future with your top concerns. So naturally I said not paying for snacks, stripes on ties for everybody, and getting the new binders covered by company for my collectible animal trading cards.

LOL, these look like goals for a regional contact after United's AIP. We have some work to do to even get close.

Then don’t bid those.


What I was trying to say:
Those are okay for reserves, and suck for junior line holders. But if you go to min calendar day, the wil be split it up some other way. No way they will pay you 3 days for working 8 hours and 32 hrs TAFB.

Anything leading w/ "scope" screams of a MGT plant...

Not only that - 16% DC? Are you kidding? Delta is asking for 23%

This is a DUMB thread and should be closed. Responding and sharing wants/likes/desires gives MGT the upper hand.

As a fairly junior Capt they’re impossible to avoid. But always appreciate the “Then don’t bid them” comments. No sh$t! Tell us more life coach. Don’t like reserve? Don’t fix the language just don’t bid it. Don’t like our LTD just don’t get disabled 🙄

Let the company split them up. It just means flying an actual schedule that ends with a redeye instead of dedicated redeye trips that don’t pay anything.

United New TA:

20% pay raise over the next
three years, no cost medical,
19% direct contribution,
positive space commuting, and
airport standby eliminated.
Since we will be the first to the
table with a new contract, a 5%
me too clause over the average
of DAL and AA hourly rate.

Rumor mill I think.

good let them be split another way
MIN Calendar day!!!
AND red eye override

Amateur. I'm demanding a pony for everyone!

pretty impressive increases overall. Positive space commuting and no medical is huge IMO. If this is accurate it’s great for the industry.

Imagine getting to use your sick time, haha. We have LTD at spirit, but work offsets it, you lose 401k contributions on it, and your healthcare expires after 5? Years. It’s Swiss cheese.

Pay increase in line with UAL new rates

LTD
5 hour min day
15 days off for reserves
200% premium X/Y list
Red eye override
Redeye turns should pay 150%
Positive space commuting
move up vacation and add a 5th week at year 12
321 override

Change the definition of “sick day” to personal day.

Keep 125% over 82

Tall order but I like it

Guess doubling down???

I would rather have a "3" day trip that starts at 11pm and finishes at 8am with 32 hours TAFB, than a 15hr credit trip that starts at 7am and ends at 10pm. Because I would rather get 10 of pay to be away from my family for 1 day, than 15 hours pay to be away for 3. But to each their own.


I mean, you can just be a senior FO....

^^^^^^^^^^^ just to start

Orrrrr…. I could just ask the union to improve the areas I find deficient in the current contract and you can do the same.

Absolutely. Daily pay is just not the one to aim for. Hourly rates, red-eye override, higher rigs, you name it. Aking for more money per day WILL just increase utilization for that day.

I agree that scope is an odd 1st priority

I said 16+% ! Lol. Obviously the more the better but as some point you run into IRS limits anyhow so it could be seen as wasted negotiating capital. (I realize cash over cap exists) but if all the captains are hitting IRS limits, other items are probably more in need of "attention"

I don’t see the down side of working higher credit trips that allow for more days off with your family. 10hr 3 days create 75hr lines. I’ll take the higher credit.

It would be nice to still have commutable trips.

Ask the Midwest guys if scope shouldn’t always be first priority.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I believe RAH bought the assets post chapter 7. I don't think scope would have help, but I maybe mistaken.

I don’t think so…

“On June 23, 2009, Republic Airways Holdings, Inc announced they would acquire Midwest Airlines for $31 million. The deal closed on July 30.[28] Midwest became a wholly owned subsidiary of Republic Airways and continued to operate under current branding.[29] The Midwest Airlines FAA operating certificate expired on November 3, 2009. The acquisition by Republic occurred just 22 months after TPG and Northwest Airlines paid $450 million for Midwest. The total loss of investment by TPG and Northwest was 93% or $419 million.

On September 3, 2008, Midwest Airlines announced its plan to outsource all of its flight operations to Republic Airways. Republic began operating twelve 76-seat Embraer ERJ-170 jets under the Midwest Connect name while Midwest returned its 25 Boeing 717 planes to Boeing under a lease renegotiation.[30] While this change caused the additional layoffs bringing the total of pink-slipped Midwest pilots to nearly 300[31] and total employee cuts for the year to 1,850,[32] Midwest indicated that it hoped to begin operating these new planes itself with Midwest crews in 8–12 months from that time.[30] Additional aircraft from Republic were added to the operation in the form of larger Embraer ERJ-190s in August 2009.”

From wikipedia


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

And I would rather have commutable trips, so aiming for something that benefits all (better rigs & pay) is better than something that hurts half of us (daily pay). You keep calling it a three day, so you would be totally happy with a 2 day check-in 10 minutes pay midnight, red-eye to the east coast. Long sit, back early afternoon. Pays 10 hours, same TAFB as those horrible 3 days, and same 10 hour pay. They optimize trips to minimize crew pay.

That’s exactly the problem with min calendar day. The problem with the 3 day min duty average of 5 for 10 credit is it tends to create 12 day off lines rather
quickly.

There are plenty of ways to make commutable 3 and 4 day trips with a min day, we had them at my last airline. If it’s commutable trips that you’re looking for, you should be asking ALPA to put pressure on the company to move away from the day line model that they’re pursuing. I doubt there’s much they can do about it but that’s the bigger issue in my opinion.

That is true . I’m actually thinking of going back to the right seat in my base for QOL. I just flew with a senior.FO and he has it pretty good.

doesn’t that require a displacement bid or reduction? I’ve certainly spoken to people who were planning it as a result of ORD closing; but I don’t know how it went.
I’m in the top 10% in base and generally get what I want; certainly much more time off than a jnr CA; and more money; but that’s true at any airline..I’m planning on the first upgrade nonetheless; it’s just a better job in the left seat. Who would t want their first choice of crew meals every day? Oh.. wait…

No you can bid FO voluntarily provided you’ve been a CA for more than 2 years.

Are these TA ideas you guys are talking about coming in 2032?

So i definitely don't know better, and have been trying to find that. Where does it say 2 years?

24.A.2

filler

I see your point - however….

The 12 hours before your 11pm show are supposed to be for crew rest of which 8 are supposed to be for sleep. I’m not so naive to believe that’s what people are actually doing but the day of that trip is limited in what you can do you and should probably include at least an attempt at a few hours nap.

And landing at 7-8am a whole 32 hours later will be followed by another nap if not 8 hours of sleep after dragging yourself home. If you’re a commuter, add 4 hours on each side of that…

If you consider that quality time with your family, then so be it. Id much rather have the extra 5 hours of credit. Two of those 7am - 11pm 2 days = 3 of your 11pm/redeye, 28hr layover and another redeye (1) day.

5 hours credit is $1100 mid level CA pay

I’m hearing that the ALPA reps during their informational meetings are managing expectations about gains made in a JCBA. I hope we are looking at something better than status quo.

If I were a NK pilot, I would be praying for the success of JB’s bid.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk