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fivebyfive 12-27-2022 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3560699)
Honestly just trying to make a new guy feel good. Reading this site is toxic and he asked a question that was going to get very negative responses. Im not trying to shield people from the truth by any means, but if you walk into this job straight out of college you are lucky.

Donkeysquirelldicks opinion aside

Instead of being defensive and insulting other opinions, it may be beneficial to self reflect. The daily quest to legitimate sub-mediocrity is what is toxic to the pilot group. That would make you the most toxic on this forum. :)

BiffleBalls 12-27-2022 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by fivebyfive (Post 3560783)
Instead of being defensive and insulting other opinions, it may be beneficial to self reflect. The daily quest to legitimate sub-mediocrity is what is toxic to the pilot group. That would make you the most toxic on this forum. :)

We all have our moments of frustration. I understand.

Aero1900 12-27-2022 08:08 PM


Originally Posted by fivebyfive (Post 3560783)
Instead of being defensive and insulting other opinions, it may be beneficial to self reflect. The daily quest to legitimate sub-mediocrity is what is toxic to the pilot group. That would make you the most toxic on this forum. :)

If it weren't for me, you guys would all go down a dark, miserable path towards endless dread and dispare. The sun would never rise again. Dark clouds of freezing rain would wash across the sky and settle upon all your preflights. As the warmth of the sun vacated the sky, a chill would spread through the pilot group that could never be broken. Before you know it, you guys would forget how to smile and turn into 2000 D Kelley's. The dread of working for a "toxic" management team will spread into your personal lives leading to divorces and break ups. The carnage will be devastating. 401ks will be halved, lawyer bills will be unmanageable, plans of retirement will be put on indefinite hold. Flightdeck culture will become dreadful and ice cold, ruining the one thing we had going for us.

And all because I stopped posting my mostly positive attitude on here.

*I'm standing in a 2+ hour line to get a rental car and I'm bored as hell. But the fact that every person in line around me is renting a car to drive home because Southwest can't get them home is giving me a little bit of smugness

BiffleBalls 12-27-2022 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3560840)
If it weren't for me, you guys would all go down a dark, miserable path towards endless dread and dispare. The sun would never rise again. Dark clouds of freezing rain would wash across the sky and settle upon all your preflights. As the warmth of the sun vacated the sky, a chill would spread through the pilot group that could never be broken. Before you know it, you guys would forget how to smile and turn into 2000 D Kelley's. The dread of working for a "toxic" management team will spread into your personal lives leading to divorces and break ups. The carnage will be devastating. 401ks will be halved, lawyer bills will be unmanageable, plans of retirement will be put on indefinite hold. Flightdeck culture will become dreadful and ice cold, ruining the one thing we had going for us.

And all because I stopped posting my mostly positive attitude on here.

*I'm standing in a 2+ hour line to get a rental car and I'm bored as hell. But the fact that every person in line around me is renting a car to drive home because Southwest can't get them home is giving me a little bit of smugness

People who are giving you sh*t must not have been on this forum long enough to know this isn't you're regular thing. Sometimes people just need to vent. You're human.
Also, sorry you’re having such a cr*ppy travel experience. I’ve never seen lines that long at so many airports. Bags everywhere in baggage claim. I would never have belie this could happen to WN at this level. I hear it’s another issue related to using old software - a lesson they keep getting schooled on but never learn.

c130rob 12-31-2022 07:05 AM

Is it possible to find the current F9 contract anywhere? I haven't had luck finding a PDF or anything so I assume it may not be publicly available.

Windsor 12-31-2022 09:43 AM

The only and I mean ONLY thing that will get a new contract is empty classes and no applications. And that's after management has many discussions amongst themselves on if they actually need to have 225 planes. Absolutely no reason for them to negotiate with the pilot group if they don't need butts in seats.

ReserveCA 12-31-2022 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by Windsor (Post 3562860)
The only and I mean ONLY thing that will get a new contract is empty classes and no applications. And that's after management has many discussions amongst themselves on if they actually need to have 225 planes. Absolutely no reason for them to negotiate with the pilot group if they don't need butts in seats.

^^^^^
yup spot on!

Aero1900 12-31-2022 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by Windsor (Post 3562860)
The only and I mean ONLY thing that will get a new contract is empty classes and no applications. And that's after management has many discussions amongst themselves on if they actually need to have 225 planes. Absolutely no reason for them to negotiate with the pilot group if they don't need butts in seats.

Except we got a contract last time and we were still hiring.

So, no

And management definitely wants all those planes. More planes = more money.

Gary et al 12-31-2022 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3562909)
And management definitely wants all those planes. More planes = more money.

I agree with you!

CRJdriver2017 12-31-2022 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by Gary et al (Post 3563025)
I agree with you!

Well all the 1500 hour ATPs still think they hit the jackpot. Guys with years at regionals before coming over have changed their tones since I started. And that was was 6-7 months ago. It’s a tone I have noticed. Sick calls are currently an issue.


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