Spirit TA passes
 

A low bar has been set.

We must do better

It is a yikes of a TA for sure.... But it is just until their JCBA/CBA which I understand, but its still bad they would accept those rates and let the company know they are ok with that little. Just less incentive to pay them more when the JCBA or CBA comes out.

Disappointing in this environment.

Wouldn’t be surprised if our management raises year 1 again though. Or maybe a larger sign on loan.

Still curious as to how many are actually accepting that. Also curious if we will all get 35k checks once that grievance makes it through the process.

Can’t wait until Frontier can show us how it’s done.

Odds are very high NK will be in a JCBA with JBLU before F9 strikes a deal with your pilots.

This was a straight raise across the board, not a single concession, and a short 2 year deal to get us to the TPA and JCBA. Sorry if these rates fail to impress F9 pilots.

Like I said, can’t wait to see F9 hit it out of the park with Franke.

F9 is going to HAMMER these rates at the table, since they are out peers, not the legacies (eye roll). My only hope is that B6 and NK are very motivated to get a JCBA so they can fully merge, and get new rates. However, I have little doubt that F9 will still use these rates as a standard.

I get why NK took this though, I don't like it, but I get it.

We have a Strike Bus, so don't worry about us!

You could always press for a snap up to the eventual JCBA rates…

so what are the new pay rates

12th year CA rates are $306 this year and $318 next year. Im sure someone will have a link to all of it

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/3547837-post36.html


Hope that link works. The 321 override rates are the effective rates. Everyone gets those rates regardless of what they are flying

Those are accurate.

Also a few other things monetary wise but they don’t go into effect into Jan 2024, which was a sticking point for sure. Sadly we work for a broke as$ company they still can’t learn how to make profit yet

Difficult to make a profit if you can’t retain enough pilots to fully utilize the aircraft you have on hand, far less the ones you’ve got coming.

You people are so insecure.

I agree. You don’t argue with free money. 2019 AA gave APA raises across the board. Take it and run. Saying no would be the all time bad precedent.

Your management will be motivated so I agree… you will have a new agreement before we do. Frankie will still be sending the janitor to mediation at that point.

Unless you have ~1500 open grievances...

Keep in mind Southwest has <150.

Psh amateurs.

Its not just F9 pilots that those rates failed to impress but rather your peers at most other airlines.

Not correct maybe those are Alaska’s new rates. 12 year ca is $300 and $312 next year.

The numbers you quoted there are the rates without the 321 override factored in.

The effective rates are what I posted. See the link to the table a few posts back

Y’all are missing a very important component of their agreement…They have a snap up provision. “Higher of the pay rate in table or average of the AA, UAL, DAL, SWA and ALA”.

A little more info if you are interested. I don't know if they have the snap up clause the above post claimed???


Effective 1/1/24

“Flight Pay” means scheduled block time or actual block time, whichever is greater, on a leg-by-leg basis calculated in hours and minutes.


Section 3: Compensation

See attached

Pay Rates

Cumulative Increase Over Two Years

Weighted Average Increase Captain 25%
Weighted Average Increase First Officer 43%
Total Pilot Group weighted average increase 34%


Night Override

Effective (1/1/24)

Any leg scheduled to operate during 0100-0500 LDT an override of $13 per hour will be paid to the pilot for the entire leg value, scheduled or actual, whichever is greater.


For any leg not scheduled to operate, but actually operates during the time 0100-0500 LDT, an override of $13.00 per hour will be paid in increments of one hour for each hour or part of an hour that is flown within the 0100-0500 LDT window.


First Year Pay

Company may increase the year-one First Officer hourly pay rate to a maximum of ninety-eight and one-half (98.5%) of the year-two First Officer pay rate. If the Company raises the year-one First Officer pay rate, it will pay the same rate for all year-one First Officers. Any such increase in the year-one First Officer rate will remain in effect.


New Hire Training Pay

Initial new hire pay prior to release to the line shall increase to

$1,500 monthly salary.

$1,000 monthly expenses prorated on a daily basis for a partial month.

Section 5 Expenses

Company will pay for the initial uniform.

Section 9 Training Pilots

Section 9 will be released highlighting the changes as soon as possible.

Overrides

Effective (2023/2024)

Ground Training/SIM/FTD Inst: $28
SIM CKA: $40
LCKA: $55/$65 (2023/2024)
APD: $55/$65 (2023/2024)
Observations: $35/$42 (2023/2024)


Section 10 Transfer to Non-Flying or Supervisory Duty

The total number of Management Pilots system-wide shall not exceed 1% of the number of pilots on the current Spirit Airlines Pilots’ System Seniority List in accordance with Section 22 C.

No other changes to Management Pilots’ ability to fly.


Training Pilots

Training pilots awarded an OE position will bid in PBS using their seniority.

Withholding of pairings for training

Withholding limited to that necessary for Latin America route qualification.
No less than 10% of the credit awarded to Check Airmen will be eligible for bid by First Officers.

Initial Open Time & Daily Open Time

Captain & First Officer IOT/DOT Split

Section 28 Retirement

Direct Contribution 401k

On 1/1/24 DC increased from 15% to 16%

Excess Payments

Paid to pilot March 15th of each year.

First Year Pilots 401k Automatic Enrollment (Automatic Contribution Arrangement or ACA)

5% (pilots may modify or opt out)
After Tax 401k Contributions (Mega Back Door Roth)

Beginning in 2024 the Company will take steps to implement.

Section 31 Duration

Two-year duration
90-day early opener or immediately upon the abandonment of the Spirit/JetBlue merger transaction, whichever is earlier.

There is no snap-up….

You’re right, Spirit didn’t get the snap up, B6 did, which will be incorporated with the JCBA. Not that it really matters when United buys us.

We’ll be lucky if we even come close to spirit check docunet for the latest compensation package

Bull. We decide what compensation package we get. Anything less than JetBlue or Alaska better not even make it to a vote.

These recent first year pay bumps and bonus programs indicate the company recognizes they’ve got a massive problem. We better be ready to take advantage.

If the DOJ has “concerns” about JB buying Spirit they would have a cow about United buying Frontier. :eek:

I sincerely hope you all blow us out of the water. Do I see that happening anytime soon….ehhhh…. Our best defense for this is we weren’t negotiating a full section 6 , and we got these raises in 3-4 months with a few concessions…. Yes, we conceded ****, FU NC and their followers…. Our best hope is the merger goes through now. For you guys, I hope you concede nothing and gain everything! Good luck.

God I hope so, and soon, please.

100/hr and 50k new hire loans. Smells of desperation. Blood is in the water and there will be nothing left but to negotiate with us and we cannot let this pass us up. They need pilots to grow this airline and if they cant grow it they wont make money, we have to get all we can with this next CBA.

Agreed. The good news is the company is willing to raise pay to get the pilots they need.

This echos my thoughts exactly. They know what they have to do. The only question is how hard will both parties fight and how long will it take.

Sadly I have flown with a few that saw the Spirit rates and thought that would be great. God help us.

Do they know its mainly just a bridge till their JCBA or full CBA because their attrition was SO bad they are parking planes???

What do they think of Delta rates? must be some sort of unicorn i guess and they wont ever hope to get close because "we are a ULCC" this mindset needs to change.

Did we get a raise and I just missed it?

Are 99% of us somehow richer now?

be grateful for these first year raises and they will help you in the long run....

LOL...Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again yet expecting different results? $35k didn't work, so let's up it to $50k!

Company is now spending $2.5-3 MILLION per month on new hire bonuses alone. That is absurd.

Who said it didn't work? Classes be full of bright-eyed youngsters eager to come online!

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