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Old 05-02-2023 | 09:32 AM
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Delta just lowered their standards
again. Rumor that they couldn’t fill the May classes.

Frontier has all these planes coming will they be able to staff them with pilots?

Whats the attrition there?

Speculation that AA, DAL and UAL will be hiring 1500 pilots by November.
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Old 05-02-2023 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
Delta just lowered their standards
again. Rumor that they couldn’t fill the May classes.

Frontier has all these planes coming will they be able to staff them with pilots?

Whats the attrition there?

Speculation that AA, DAL and UAL will be hiring 1500 pilots by November.
Now that class sizes have shrunk, we are going backwards. We are probably losing 1.25 pilots for every 1 we hire at the current rate. By the this Fall we will be back to staffing levels close to last Fall. I did hear that class sizes will go back to being 50-60 by the end of the year though.
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Old 05-02-2023 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
Delta just lowered their standards
again. Rumor that they couldn’t fill the May classes.

Frontier has all these planes coming will they be able to staff them with pilots?

Whats the attrition there?

Speculation that AA, DAL and UAL will be hiring 1500 pilots by November.
I doubt that Delta couldn't fill classes... Everyone and their mother has an app in there. We will continue this attrition probably through the summer and ramp up hiring again once our new planes start getting in or we lose enough people to make them worry.

We are apparently fat on pilots now, so we will have no issue staffing planes if they come at our current rate.
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Old 05-02-2023 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
Delta just lowered their standards
again. Rumor that they couldn’t fill the May classes.

Frontier has all these planes coming will they be able to staff them with pilots?

Whats the attrition there?

Speculation that AA, DAL and UAL will be hiring 1500 pilots by November.
I havent really paid very close attention to our attrition numbers as i know others are tracking it.

One thing to point out though is that we are hiring and filing classes thru the cadet programs. Purdue, ERAU, ATP, etc. That is giving Frontier a stream of pilots that Delta hasn't had to look at yet. And I did hear that class sizes are going to increase again in the future.
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Old 05-02-2023 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
I havent really paid very close attention to our attrition numbers as i know others are tracking it.

One thing to point out though is that we are hiring and filing classes thru the cadet programs. Purdue, ERAU, ATP, etc. That is giving Frontier a stream of pilots that Delta hasn't had to look at yet. And I did hear that class sizes are going to increase again in the future.
Another thing to note is that the cadet program is open to just about everyone now. You don't need to be attending a partnered school listed above. This information has slowly started to make its way around and I read there's over 2,000 applications for the cadet program now. This and the RTP program are innovative ways to keep the pilots coming and slow attrition.
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Old 05-02-2023 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
I havent really paid very close attention to our attrition numbers as i know others are tracking it.

One thing to point out though is that we are hiring and filing classes thru the cadet programs. Purdue, ERAU, ATP, etc. That is giving Frontier a stream of pilots that Delta hasn't had to look at yet. And I did hear that class sizes are going to increase again in the future.
Where / how we get pilots is immaterial if those pilots leave. The bonus/loan doesn’t seem to be working as well as they might have thought…
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Old 05-02-2023 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Evol2Evil
Another thing to note is that the cadet program is open to just about everyone now. You don't need to be attending a partnered school listed above. This information has slowly started to make its way around and I read there's over 2,000 applications for the cadet program now. This and the RTP program are innovative ways to keep the pilots coming and slow attrition.
Captains should get LCA override for every leg considering the pool we will be drawing from.
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Old 05-02-2023 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by BiffleBalls
Captains should get LCA override for every leg considering the pool we will be drawing from.
You and everyone else considering the hiring rate in ALL the majors. But ALPA has been wanting to get rid of the regionals ever since they were forced to give up scope in contracts. Looks like they are getting their wish and newbies gotta start somewhere.
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Old 05-02-2023 | 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by citationxtango
Now that class sizes have shrunk, we are going backwards. We are probably losing 1.25 pilots for every 1 we hire at the current rate. By the this Fall we will be back to staffing levels close to last Fall. I did hear that class sizes will go back to being 50-60 by the end of the year though.


Count me in . I think I am coming back and Frontier looks like a good place to retire, if they will consider me.
Not much experience, just around 1700 hours/ 200h CRJ with an ATP, CL65 from the years when pay was 20-25 /hour.
Frontier would be a great option as Regionals don't really need FOs right now.
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Old 05-02-2023 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Evol2Evil
I read there's over 2,000 applications for the cadet program now.
Nearly 4000 applicants
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