News thread
 

Thought I would start a random news thread in light of the LGA news and corresponding stock bump today.

In other news…

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-01/austin-reaches-88-million-deal-in-air-terminal-takeover-spat?utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&cmpid=socialflow-facebook-business&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm _content=business

We are going to need a new terminal.

Next crew base LGA?

Wouldn't surprise me. However, I have a feeling it will turn into more flights there, most likely connecting across the pond when the XLRs arrive... Just a hunch.

Until then, most likely more LGA turns, and letting other airlines use our gates/slots for extra income.

Can't go more than 1,500nm departing from LGA.

ew thats digusting. But also good.

Im not sure then.

The head of Marketing has said that he would wager on the XLR's NOT showing up. So I wouldn't count on ever seeing one.

Forget the XLR. F9 should get 330 NEO's, pack 450 pax in, and cross the pond! That's the rumor I'm waiting for.

Ref

Imagine the riots at the gate with 500 pax when we cancel! The airport authority would have to hire extra police just for us :)

Not to mention, lets try and stuff them into the already small and crowded gates lol

Really doesn't work that well with the ULCC business model. When you have a business model that generates over 50% of the revenue via ancillary fees, you want to shuffle as many people on and off the plane as possible. Long haul doesn't do that. You'd make more money flying a 320 4 short legs than a 330 on just one leg. 4x the bag fees, 4x the seat fees etc.

The other problem is utilization. When the aircraft are all on monthly lease payments you need to run as many flights/ hours as possible. Again, doesn't work well easily for long haul flights.

Long haul low cost has been a major problem or a flat out failure business model. If the big, experience jet is only going to fly 1 or 2 legs a day, it needs the mega expensive 1st class revenue

but. but... they put Dublin on a recruiting ad??? :(

Ya the only reason I could ever see it being used would be to code share with Wizz and cross the streams.

Actually with a few small twists this clip fits our lives half way decent. Haha
https://m.youtube.com/watch?embeds_r...&v=9wrEEd1ajz4

Nobody wants to be crammed on our piece of **** seats with no amenities for any pond crossings. Our passengers can't afford European or Hawaiian vacations. We dont market to those who can afford better. There will be no pond crossings in our future.

Fair and solid points. I'd toss a thought and say it doesn't work with the CURRENT ulcc model but in the future it might. Yes my post was one in good fun but I don't think it's out of the realm. Speculation is always a fun thing!

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Air Transat in Canada operates a high density config A330 with only 12 "club" seats. I did a quick check, and each seat in club is only about 300 dollars more. I think a version of long-haul ULCC exists out there, but it isn't our current product.

Lol’d at this, thanks. LGA has a perimeter rule and the runways are 7,000ft.

Maybe you can launch NRT from SNA next? Lol

F9 could probably pack 500+ into an A350-1000XWB. I’d bet we could fill them up. Word on the street is that the XLR doesn’t make economic sense with a full load for Frontier. It will only add a few hundred miles of range, if that, operating out of high altitude airports.

If you want to fly a 330/350 definitely do not apply here. The 321s will certainly do some interesting flying they never made a secret of that. How and what / which models is still TBD. You don’t need XLRs for Western Europe. Which from PHL is almost as long as MCO - ONT.

South America will definitely happen. I welcome all business. Just sign me up for the under 2 hour block day turns and home for dinner thanks

It is?

Straight line:

KMCO-KONT: 1887 NM
KPHL-EIDW: 2844 NM

You are absolutely correct. Feels about the same distance in the winter doing 350 over the ground to ONT as it does going to Dublin from the East coast. Been 8 years since I did the WB thing. Slept for most of it. :)

However I am pretty sure you understand the larger point I was trying to get across

Wouldn't be surprised if we do some Keflavik and have Wizz, which already flies from there take over to Europe.

I think Play does something similar on the 321 from east coast cities via Iceland.

If we go to Europe I think realistically Ireland would be it. It has US pre-customs clearance. It’s a cheap country to operate in, and Wizz could connect our passengers to anywhere in Europe from there.

Not to mention they already put Dublin in our recruitment ad *throw up face*

I would love to see us go there, or Iceland, keep it simple, keep it easy. Especially with the other companies Indigo owns, Seeing up go south or east is a very easy thing to think about.

probably won’t happen. Daytona beach would be nice though. Big market in Florida that is yet to be tapped into besides a few airlines.

“No LCC has been able to successfully cross the Atlantic and survive. Do we really wanna be the first ones to try?”
-VP DS

Hey guys look, it's Bluedriver's troll account.

the first "Europe route" will be PHL to Dublin

period, the end

FA’s are being offered leaves of absence. How is business busting at the seams everywhere else and Frontier is doing everything possible to shrink?

They FAs have been offered LOAs all year but we kept hiring new FAs regardless. Bit strange.

Funny part is, they wont offer LOAs to them to get their ratings done through the cadet program lol... gotta leave the company for it.

They did, but the FA union nixed the idea.

Great.....

I don't recall seeing the numbers previously on the LGA article....

But wowzers. 6 gates and ALL of Spirit's slots.

I don't think the merger will go through. If it does then all you east coasters get to have a lot of fun with that!

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/...-spirit-merger

the states of NY, and NJ, amongst others, are against the merger

good luck with those slots, controlled by, uh, the Port Authority of NJ and NY

Im sure F9 will do great waiting 3+ hours for 6 gates because they only have 3 rampers and 2 gate agents hahahah LGA ground on liveatc will be hilarious

I think the merger probably will go thru now that they broke up the JB/AA NE alliance

And LGA is fun. It's OK to have a little challenge sometimes. I'm bored of being vectored onto a 20 mile final to a 12,000 ft runway. And plus, it's a good airport to make extra $

Give me a bunch of LGA day turns or 3/4 leg day turns and I will be more than happy. If anything, I am sure knowing this info, that LGA isn't the only base we will get gates in from this merger. I am sure there will be more, thinking ORD, ATL, or some other areas where they + spirit would have too big of a presence to be allowed.

I know for sure DFW might get some gates out of it as well.

Lots to see whenever more info gets released. I know we didn't just open DFW to sit with our 3 gates or whatever it is there. I am sure they know more.

https://simpleflying.com/frontier-ai...ardia-airport/

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/...-spirit-merger

Interesting to see Barry's confidence in this. Maybe count our chickens after they hatch...

You head must be pretty deep in the sand if you think the merger won’t go through.