Interviews
 

Has anyone heard if or when they will start interviewing again?

Does anyone know if class dates are still being given out? I was put in the hiring pool back in February and was wondering if I could expect something around June or July.

If its anything to go off of, I interviewed and was placed in the pool in September 2023, just got my class date email last week for a 4/15 class.

Sounds good. Based on that I reckon I can plan on July.

To my surprise, another class of 60 coming in May. Company seems serious about its growth plans.

Rough math on deliveries this year, and the next few years, is something like 40-60 per class, especially in 2025 and 2026. Lots of growth to come if things go right..

Barry and Brad are laughing all the way to the bank. This is exactly what they needed, a slow down. NK is in a death spiral, B6 is consolidating, DL is on the back side of their hiring spree, while SW and UA are being hamstrung by Boeing. It's honestly a perfect storm. We're not in a recession, so people are wanting to fly. I believe I saw another record setting month for TSA numbers. F9s competition isn't hiring, and the legacies are paused, or are caught up. Buckle up for a long and bumpy road folks.

Let’s hope the huge hiring numbers we need and their stupid new hire contract games offset the slowdown of attrition. Unlikely but there’s always hope.

I hope, but I don't think it will... Too many 1000hr pilots with 2 years to spare if needed for a 100k+/yr airbus type job.

I hope our union is able to get a GOOOOOOOD retro check.

If one's were hired before the last contract, we remember the Unions told people not to apply T f9 and goes as far as suggested/help f9 pilots with employments els where.

There's were a lot of factors that we're still in plays for well qualified applicants to choose to wait or applied to els where . The negative factors were first yr paid $39 . No accommodations provided for initial. Having said all that, still, many of the applicants that were invited to the interviews were captions at regionals or military, heavy cargo, and folks from that's have been flying in Asian and Middle East. I.E " Emirates.! With all that we'll qualify group of applicants which were in my group's. Only 6 of us were hired out of 14 that show up that day.
I believed towards the end of 2018 , F9 did eventually experiences a lack of applicants and No show for the interviews.
In my options , that's when the leavage swang towards finalizing the Contact.
Fast forward
In this this environments , there's will not be a contract any times soon.. Soon =meaning 3 or 4 yrs from now.
F9 now will not have a shortages of applicants like before, BL told us in the school house, F9 currently , have a 1000 cadets in hiring pool and back up till foe ever! . Even with the high attritions or UA didn't have the Boeing issues and all the big 3+ hiring like crazy .! F9 will continue to fill classes. where's the pilots / union Levage ? None!
F9 will retain these new cadets, CFI, rotor pilots for a minimum of 2 yrs . before they are eligible to move on to the legacy carriers ! None of the new hires with or without experiences have any intentions of staying with F9 ! That's is okay with F9 managements !
That 2 yrs line will never Ends as they will have endless streams of CFI, cadets pilots in the pool!

In any bussiness, profits and bottoms lines are All only that's matter and to CEO , investors , owners etc!

So I have established there's will Not be issues with new airplanes and pilots for f9 to staff it ! and thus No needs to come to negotiate ! Bussiness as usual!

Said what you want about F9, managements, they always seem to be a head of the game when come to finding new methods to staff the airlines.

Here's a very long "shot" And will never happens:). one more of why "it's will never happens". People / pilots are selfish! I accepted that and expected it! )

In my humble opinions, F9 will turns out as many new hires as possible, Sim Slots availabllity or Sim Instructors will not be a big issues.. f9 can hires outside instructors and sims slots all over country!

The only Leverage that the union /pilots may have . If F9 does not have Check airman's to do IOE for new hires ! Especially, the F9 new hires, They needs the experiences right away ! Even now , new hires are having to waiting a 2 wks or longer to get calls for IOE, just in that , checks airmen's I flown with , all saying the new hires get rusty and some needs to go back for more sims... imagine if that's waits for IOE take a month or 2 or longer before starting IOE ! The numbers of new hires that will needs to go back to the sims and back waiting again and endless cycles of waiting and retrains for currency etc.. .... that's a lot a moneys that hits the training Budget,! That's bottom line that get F9 higher ups to asks questions ! That's shortage of check airman's will be issued ! Remember, the union always tell the pilots " to stay together "
More bad news, F9 have have stack of pilots they want to be check airman's ! )

It's incredible that we think the only people that can help us are people who don't work here (potential new hires).

When we can't get pilots that don't work for this airline to do the heavy lifting, our hopes fall to a few dozen LCAs.

Stop looking outward for help.

To say the union has no leverage isn't all the way true. The way frontier wants to staff the airline with C-172 jockeys requires significant changes in the training department. They are not having good success with new hires in the current footprint. There are places the union can get in the way when it comes to training. If this is the hiring pool that BB and BL want then the union can make it painful and that can lead to a contract.

I refuse to quote long posts, but that post was really a funny read. !

I don't really disagree with any of it or any of the stuff that's been posted lately about our leverage position.

Unfortunately, the pipeline of cadets that Frontier came up with will help management significantly. That being said, we still have the RLA process and we are just going to have to slowly jump thru all the hoops and get the Arbitrator to at least threaten to release us to self help. Leverage be damned, we are just going to have to play the game.

It's going to take a while, but the NC has a plan to get us there. They got us to arbitration very quickly. Have faith in the plan and the people. JL has done this before and he's got the help of the top ALPA negotiations attorney, Bruce York. All hope is not lost, but patience is required in large doses.

According to a union person I talked to, the company is actually kind of interested in getting stuff moving and working with us.

We shall see how that info holds up. (I am probably wrong)

God willing, you're right. But I can't imagine why they'd feel a desire/need to get something done or even make meaningful progress unless they have something big planned that we aren't aware of. I hope that just pushing through the RLA process, and a need to staff incoming aircraft, will provide the leverage to get a deal done reasonably swiftly but I'm not holding my breath. Fingers crossed though.

They have recently been preaching 'want to grow to 1000 airplanes' in all the indoc related guest speaker talk. Whether it's reality or not, if they want to grow even to 500 aircraft they have to cut the attrition down. The contract has to come.

I would not be surprised if they are in fact willing to play ball.

They gave the same power point presentation when I started years ago. Don’t look too much into it.

tbf, I never received that, we got the spirit merger talk and the 250 planes in 6 years talk. Never anything about 1000 planes or any growth over 500.

Yeah, I suspect in the next 2 years or so that Indigo/Frontier will put in another Airbus order based on the length of our current lease agreements and size of Airbus' order backlog. Only time will tell.

Update: rumor (basically confirmed) lately that the May class will be 10, and allegedly all SJU locals to help staff that base.

It has to be soon because I think the new AA order doesn’t start coming in until 2030. That’s about when our order book ends.

F9 is no longer held by indigo. Im not sure that they would do the bidding for any new aircraft order for us.

Wrong! Indigo still owns 80% of Frontier.

From another thread

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/indig...180500739.html

https://ir.flyfrontier.com/static-files/a8231d50-1e3d-47e2-9d3c-48e7d6f6a610


Why are you so certain? They just sold 15% of the company the other day. So they’re down to 65% from that one filing at least. I’m too lazy to look up any other movements.

The financial gurus and articles can explain it much better than I can. As part of the original purchase, the indigo partners agreed to split it up amongst the respective shareholders in indigo after 10 years. That split just happened a couple weeks ago leaving the different partners with substantial steaks in Frontier, but it is no longer "held airline". Frankie himself owns 44% of the shares and will retain the seat on the board. Indigo Partners itself does still hold several airlines.

I stand corrected. This source I checked had not been updated. My apologies!

Class Date Updates
 

Hey friends, not sure if anyone has any updates? Are they doing class dates or not doing class dates? How far our are they? Does anyone have any intel on what is going on? I recieved my CJO back in October 2023 and have been waiting since with no word.

NO CLASS DATE FOR YOU (spoken in true Seinfeld Soup Nazi fashion).

YOU GO DELTA.

IIRC we were told the next two classes would be 10 each, and then back to 50-60 for July.

Im assuming they are trying to staff San Juan and Philedelphia based off the last email we recieved (Pool Pilots)

I’ve heard this class of 10 rumor before. With this place who knows. What we do know is the number of aircraft that will be here by the end of the year we need 400 (net) more people. That’s 50 per class the rest of the year and really that doesn’t work because nov and Dec class won’t see the line until ‘25. As much as bb likes to think attrition has slowed we are already at 25 for apr with a week to go. 10 of those are roughly 6+ year seniority so you can assume captains.
they simply cannot afford to shrink classes again.

We were told that classes were 50-60 for the foreseeable future.

Yea I don't disagree, this was just told to us by a couple of the instructors in indoc last week. To back it up I have a buddy who was hired in October and still waiting on a class, was expecting May, but nothing.

That was yesterday. Haven't you figured out they can't foresee very far into the future?