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Mesabi 11-08-2023 07:40 AM

CLE Base
 
https://www.cleveland.com/news/2023/...-new-jobs.html

FlyingR6 11-08-2023 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabi (Post 3721961)

New worst base in the system?

-Not really a hub for UA any more, so commuting from somewhere that isn't a major city is a big pain.

-Not really a place that people want to move to.

-Winter season can be brutal.

Way to go F9, this knocks it out of the park. Surely this will help stem attrition!

Aero1900 11-08-2023 07:53 AM

I know the rumor is a displacement from Vegas but I could see a small displacement from a lot of bases for this. Every base flies to CLE so you could pull the CLE turns/ flights out of every other base.

Just thinking. Don't know anything

hercretired 11-08-2023 07:57 AM

From this thread: https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/f...ml#post3682486



Originally Posted by hercretired (Post 3682486)
in my opinion it will be whatever airport is cheaper to operate out of. covered hangar space would likely be sought after also, due to the winters.

we also know Barry (smartly...) does not re-invent the wheel. If a few airlines had hubs or heavy presence there, and stream of passengers, it is attractive as a base. McDonalds across the street from Burger King 101 stuff. Every pilot base so far (now closed ORD in the list) has been a Big-3 hub, Big-3 crew base, or Big-3 major presence.

CLE has more of that than CVG but who knows what the crystal ball says.


Originally Posted by hercretired (Post 3682069)
I count

19 cities served from CLE

12 from CVG

maybe it hinges on the CLE re-build project ? https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/...aa-green-light

also keep in mind that "20" seems to be the number management looks for, regarding cities served, for a base to be opened.

I always had the guess and opinion CLE would be it.

Now the next guess is "how" they staff it. My guess is which ever base has reserves "sitting around" with not much flying may be a base in the gun sights for displacement to CLE.

Company news release says "110 pilots" : https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontie...ional-airport/

Now, if monthly class sizes can be larger than monthly outflows.....

Added edit:

A preliminary look at commute options reflect that a "multi-leg commute" may be necessary to get into CLE. This is not PHX nor MCO. CLE has less options

Chocolatemoose 11-08-2023 08:15 AM

Slowly moving towards the goal of adopting the Allegiant-ish model... commuters shall not be pleased, but should improve F9's reliability for pax.

CGLimits 11-08-2023 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by FlyingR6 (Post 3721967)
New worst base in the system?

-Not really a hub for UA any more, so commuting from somewhere that isn't a major city is a big pain.

-Not really a place that people want to move to.

-Winter season can be brutal.

Way to go F9, this knocks it out of the park. Surely this will help stem attrition!

My base has lots of crews who live in MI, IN, OH that have been hoping for a CLE base. You may be surprised by how many people want CLE.

spooldup 11-08-2023 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by CGLimits (Post 3722005)
My base has lots of crews who live in MI, IN, OH that have been hoping for a CLE base. You may be surprised by how many people want CLE.

ATL has a good bit who would want CVG.... Union has published a map of our pilots. Idk why the company doesnt choose to look at that and see who is where.

oh, i know why, they dont care.

Either way, seeing a couple new bases after CLE would be nice and if we grow, they wont be too small.

Ed Force One 11-08-2023 10:39 AM

This makes the inevitable Spirit - Frontier merger (yeah, I said it) that much easier to swallow for me at least. Like a delicious "bite of an apple."

Edited to point out the obvious sarcasm.

putzin 11-08-2023 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by Ed Force One (Post 3722076)
This makes the inevitable Spirit - Frontier merger (yeah, I said it) that much easier to swallow for me at least. Like a delicious "bite of an apple."

Edited to point out the obvious sarcasm.

We'll look good together eating < industry standard apples.

The Irishman 11-20-2023 07:10 AM

Any thoughts on what upgrade time at CLE would be after the displacement? Seems like average is around 3 years from what i read on FFpilots. Im at 1450 hours (650 jet 135/91k), ATP Scheduled in January....Frontier wasnt on my target list until they opened CLE..which is about as close to living in domicile that im gonna get. Im just wondering if with being a newer base upgrade time would be quicker? New to this..trying to figure it out all out.

UA is option to, with about a year upgrade on 737 but something tells me once all the continental carryovers retire they'll make that go away as a base. Not sure they'd look at me this early anyhow.

Thoughts?


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