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DontStahl320 04-23-2025 08:41 PM

Class dates and aircraft orders.
 
If new hire and upgrades are no longer in the agenda, and now it sounds like they will be needing more COLAS, why would F9 be assuming any new aircraft?

One day BB is stating this was the time to shine, the next month the airline post a significant loss and request a reduction in staffing. It would be great to hear his logic.

redhot 04-23-2025 11:49 PM


Originally Posted by DontStahl320 (Post 3906670)
If new hire and upgrades are no longer in the agenda, and now it sounds like they will be needing more COLAS, why would F9 be assuming any new aircraft?

One day BB is stating this was the time to shine, the next month the airline post a significant loss and request a reduction in staffing. It would be great to hear his logic.


because the only real revenue source for frontier is sale leaseback of aircraft. More then likely frontier will take the AC and park planes that are CEO’s

Nemack 04-24-2025 03:16 AM

just got a cjo in march, i cant belive this is happening, really was looking forward to start training

DumboDrop 04-24-2025 03:27 AM


Originally Posted by DontStahl320 (Post 3906670)
If new hire and upgrades are no longer in the agenda, and now it sounds like they will be needing more COLAS, why would F9 be assuming any new aircraft?

One day BB is stating this was the time to shine, the next month the airline post a significant loss and request a reduction in staffing. It would be great to hear his logic.

Have you been watching the news? It's chaos on the economic front.

DontStahl320 04-24-2025 04:30 AM


Originally Posted by DumboDrop (Post 3906694)
Have you been watching the news? It's chaos on the economic front.

My point exactly, this was F9s time to beat the legacies. That is not happening. Delta and UAL are only seeing a 4% drop for the rest of the year. The economy is actually still pretty strong, it did cool down but is significantly higher than it was. F9s path to profit was based on expansion, new markets, and a couple first class seats. So what’s next? Just heard they might be offering early outs in August? Has anyone else heard this today?

AutoBrksMedium 04-24-2025 04:34 AM


Originally Posted by DumboDrop (Post 3906694)
Have you been watching the news? It's chaos on the economic front.

100% right. From the White House, we are doing this. Now we are not doing this. We are doing that. Now we are not doing that. Maybe it’s chaotic by design, but other countries have had about enough of our new, manic nature and are starting a new course without us.

The airlines have always been the canary in the coal mine and we are feeling it now.

Aero1900 04-24-2025 04:37 AM


Originally Posted by DumboDrop (Post 3906694)
Have you been watching the news? It's chaos on the economic front.

You mean the administration changing their mind on teriff policy every single day and sometimes multiple times a day while constantly contradicting each other is chaos? Seems like an easy environment for businesses to plan around.

BobSacamano 04-24-2025 05:09 AM


Originally Posted by DontStahl320 (Post 3906670)
If new hire and upgrades are no longer in the agenda, and now it sounds like they will be needing more COLAS, why would F9 be assuming any new aircraft?

One day BB is stating this was the time to shine, the next month the airline post a significant loss and request a reduction in staffing. It would be great to hear his logic.

I wonder what tariffs portend for our SLB scheme. Since SLB keeps this whole thing together (especially the new order gravy train), I wonder if cancelling hiring means the deliveries are no longer coming because SLB is no longer viable in this trade environment.

DumboDrop 04-24-2025 05:15 AM


Originally Posted by BobSacamano (Post 3906714)
I wonder what tariffs portend for our SLB scheme. Since that’s what keeps this whole thing together (especially the new order gravy train), I wonder if cancelling hiring means the orders are no longer coming because SLB is no longer viable in this trade environment.

How can anyone plan anything with the costs constantly changing?

FreightBum 04-24-2025 05:30 AM

Is everyone just speculating that classes and orders are cancelled? Or am I missing something?


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