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Originally Posted by LinaPeru (Post 3941333)

I use my salary and reinvest in my business. I sell feet pictures of pilots on OF.

Best response of the day!

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Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3941278)

I am talking specifically about the 401k contributions that we all have and how we benefit a great deal from big business screwing over workers. Not saying that is okay, but to ignore how greatly we benefit from those same big businesses is posturing and disingenuous.

Ah, the 401k question. Big business and it's millions of low income workforce. How could anyone support that?

LOL - in all actuality, it's IMPOSSIBLE not to. No matter what you do, where you go or who you purchase from, you have to support big business. There is absolutely nobody in this country who is self-reliant to the point where some VERY LARGE business isn't involved.

You eat? You buy groceries (instead of farming your own vegetables and growing your own cattle and chicken)? Then you support a big business. You live in a house that you didn't build yourself? Then you support a big business. You work for an airline? You think your airline is the ONLY airline that doesn't have low income workers? You go on vacation and stay in a hotel? You ever watched a movie on Netflix? You drive a car?

C'mon man. Your argument is so ridiculous, it's not even worth bringing up. Unless you somehow live outside the US AND have a lifestyle like the Amish, then you are part of the exploitation process (capitalism at its finest).

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Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3941255)

Your argument was that I should hate big corporations and not support the Amazons, Walmarts, etc. that don't pay workers the money they "deserve". And that line of thinking is fatally flawed if you are strongly supporting those same corporations by gobbling up their stock every pay period when you or your employer contribute to an S&P backed 401k plan. That was my argument.

That was most certainly NOT my argument. Who mentioned anything about hating big corporations? And I think you missed the point of VisionWings but I do understand your position vs. his/hers.

In the end, we all must do what's necessary to survive. Once that's achieved, then we do what we can to thrive (not everyone has this ability). Thriving can be anywhere from living comfortably to building an empire. NO ONE ever built an empire that didn't include exploiting others. It's the basis for capitalism (and is completely relative). No matter who the labor is - they are ALWAYS exploited. Pro athletes make millions and have gone on strike. Why would pilots who make 80-90% less than that not do the same?

I'm not even sure why this was ever brought up...

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Originally Posted by dracir1 (Post 3941518)

That was most certainly NOT my argument. Who mentioned anything about hating big corporations?

Dracir1

you are arguing with a homeless guy who jumped out from his tent and called you Satan

save your energy.

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Originally Posted by dracir1 (Post 3941514)

I completely agree with you which is why I find VisionWings utterly hypocritical for making his millions or whatever in the market and then blasting me and others for investing in that same market and big business. VisionWings then went on about how he doesn’t use Amazon, shop at Walmart or support any non-union entities. Again, that is NOBLE of him to stop supporting big business after he made his millions or tens of millions investing in those same big businesses who exploit their workers.

I was mistaken and, I got you and VisionWings mixed up with your arguments. The ironic part is those unions that he claims are so righteous are also investing their pensions in those same big businesses to make sure they get the returns to fund their members’ retirement.