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12-17-2025 | 11:42 AM
#51
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Frontier will take the planes but not the pilots. Essentially Frontier will continue its hiring spree of pilots while adding Spirit planes to the operation as quick as they can repaint them. Spirit will be wound down and shutdown at a rate that keeps yellow planes flying while waiting for integration into Frontier. Spirit's CBA, even with the paycuts, needs to be destroyed to keep Frontier a viable business.
Essentially, Frontier will be like a SkyWest but with A321s. Low pay and low benefits.
Essentially, Frontier will be like a SkyWest but with A321s. Low pay and low benefits.
12-17-2025 | 11:46 AM
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12-17-2025 | 11:49 AM
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you understand there’s some massive differences between us an Skywest right?
No? Doesn’t surprise me.
Even Republic didnt understand the differences between us and them. Lol
12-17-2025 | 01:56 PM
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Frontier will take the planes but not the pilots. Essentially Frontier will continue its hiring spree of pilots while adding Spirit planes to the operation as quick as they can repaint them. Spirit will be wound down and shutdown at a rate that keeps yellow planes flying while waiting for integration into Frontier.
If your holding company buys Sprit and tries to do this the same thing applies per case law.
Only if Frontier buys less than 50% of the total assets can they choose to not bring over any employees.
12-17-2025 | 02:14 PM
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It is really pointless to speculate on what frontier will do at this point. The one thing we know is this. They have been orchestrating this possible scenario for a long time. In the end of the day, they will and are making moves that directly benefit them and them alone. Whatever they need to do to manipulate the situation for them they will do. I am sure they are meticulously reviewing exactly what lines they need to stay between to influence the exact outcome they want. Unfortunately, this will not benefit any of us. What is good for us, cost them money. Hold on, I think we are about to see just how manipulative this group can really get.
12-17-2025 | 02:29 PM
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12-17-2025 | 03:51 PM
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From: Lineholder
If Frontier buys over 51% of assets, you are taking the unionized employees as well onto your seniority list per McCaskill Bond. Then you will do an SLI in accordance with ALPA merger policy.
If your holding company buys Sprit and tries to do this the same thing applies per case law.
Only if Frontier buys less than 50% of the total assets can they choose to not bring over any employees.
If your holding company buys Sprit and tries to do this the same thing applies per case law.
Only if Frontier buys less than 50% of the total assets can they choose to not bring over any employees.
A merger/acquistion is 50.1% of the company's assets (whatever those assets may be). It's difficult to know exactly what Spirit owns vs. what they rent but there isn't really that much that they possess that F9 needs. Acquiring a training facility (whether it's owned or leased), some offices, maybe a few sims and some aircraft leases is only attractive if obtained pennies on the dollar. TBH, the last thing F9 needs is aircraft and pilots aren't really a problem now either. Most NK pilots already have apps out and would probably be gone by the time it takes for a full SLI.
F9 needs gates more than anything else.
12-17-2025 | 04:21 PM
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Yes, this.
A merger/acquistion is 50.1% of the company's assets (whatever those assets may be). It's difficult to know exactly what Spirit owns vs. what they rent but there isn't really that much that they possess that F9 needs. Acquiring a training facility (whether it's owned or leased), some offices, maybe a few sims and some aircraft leases is only attractive if obtained pennies on the dollar. TBH, the last thing F9 needs is aircraft and pilots aren't really a problem now either. Most NK pilots already have apps out and would probably be gone by the time it takes for a full SLI.
F9 needs gates more than anything else.
A merger/acquistion is 50.1% of the company's assets (whatever those assets may be). It's difficult to know exactly what Spirit owns vs. what they rent but there isn't really that much that they possess that F9 needs. Acquiring a training facility (whether it's owned or leased), some offices, maybe a few sims and some aircraft leases is only attractive if obtained pennies on the dollar. TBH, the last thing F9 needs is aircraft and pilots aren't really a problem now either. Most NK pilots already have apps out and would probably be gone by the time it takes for a full SLI.
F9 needs gates more than anything else.
So whether those planes are leased, owned or financed, they are all "assets", per se, and part of the calculation of the total %.
12-18-2025 | 04:43 AM
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Does Frontier ALPA have a merger fund you’ve been building. I think Spirit ALPA has about $2million for the cause.
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