Originally Posted by flyboyx (Post 2207527)

jesus christo!!!

you guys are as emotional as a 14 year old girl getting her first period.

i have not posted here in a long time. i do look here occasionally and today the posts just make me want to shake my head.

first of all, no one in management is stupid enough to believe that any of us would settle for a single one of their chintzy proposals. this is a negotiation for christ's sake. don't ever forget that. we start high, they start low. they hope we will meet somewhere in the middle. they proposals they submitted are b.s. they know it as well as we do. they are simply an attempting to stall and show the mediation board that they are "negotiating".

what we need to do in lieu of this is resubmit our proposals to 10-15% greater across the board in EVERY category compared to the best contract of any other airline in the usa flying a similar fleet type. SWA just got a better contract. our reasoning for doing so is due to changing market conditions. every time another airline gets a better contract and we are still in negations, we resubmit a new proposal as stated above.

telling pilots not to come here because you are unhappy is just f-ing stupid! if you could see the forest through the trees, you would encourage good pilots to come here with the expectation that they will stand with us and help make this company better in the near future.

telling other pilots not to come here accomplishes nothing.

i came here from a long tenure as a captain at a regional. i knew what the pay was but i chose to come here anyway for several reasons: 1)faster upgrade time than any legacy 2) mostly better work rules than any regional in the usa. 3) generally great camaraderie with the crews i fly with. everyone that i have encountered at this company-with very few exceptions-has gone far out of their way to make me feel like i am a part of a family here. you won't get that at a legacy. 4) the regional airline industry is stagnant and likely has no future. 5) i know that in a couple years, this is going to be a really great place to work. i am willing to stand firm with my brethren. i will vote to strike if that is what needs to be done. i promise you that these dorks will cave like a house of cards and give us everything we ask for if we get to the point of a strike. why? because all they care about is making money and milking the cash cow. if we can inhibit their ability to make money, they will do what ever they need to in order to keep it flowing in.

you guys drive me crazy by reacting exactly the way they want you to. stop making this emotional. i promise you that it isn't emotional for them. all they care about is the cash. we have the ability to make this company exactly what we want it to be.

stop whining and figure out something you can do to help all of us accomplish this goal. every one of us needs to find a way to put pressure on them in one way or another.

jesus!

sorry for the rant! carry on with your whining.

Originally Posted by kb8018 (Post 2207728)

Really, so people that have been with this company for years and more than paid their dues through the ups and downs don't have every right to be pi$$ed off and complain about the slap in the face that was just slid across the table? I've flown with guys that have been here 10+ years that are pi$$ed about what's happening. Should I tell them to shut up, it's just 'negotiations?' We aren't worth more than what would still be a substandard industry contract, even today, plus the absolute pillaging of even basic work rules that people receive at even the regional level? And by the way, regarding your quicker upgrade than any legacy... Delta is at 2 years. We are at 2.5 and getting lengthier every bid. May want to fact check. Go back to your single engine taxiing and shaking hands at the GO.

Originally Posted by Yetifan (Post 2207827)

Well, the fact that Frontier still has people who want to go out of their way to help the company is baffling. No one can argue the fact that Frontier is a terrible place to be when pilots are leaving left and right and rampers are walking off the job (yesterday)! It's insulting management thought this proposal was ok when the work group is already ****ed off and FOs at other airlines are making more than captians.

Originally Posted by Yabadaba (Post 2207839)

I think as soon as everyone realizes F9 is a business and not a family you will quit being so emotional about it.

I carried a stroller up the jetway this morning, but only because the mom was hot. Does that make me a company sell out?

Originally Posted by DENpilot (Post 2207903)

Second, you are a tool for carrying the stroller. I don't care what the circumstances.