I completely support FAPA, and am happy we won. But if this nightmare scenario begins to unfold, can we later seek out representation with deeper pockets at that time? Or would it be too late at that point?

I've heard rumors to the effect that Indigo had discussions directly with FAPA, encouraging them to do all they could to win. Was this in hopes of working with FAPA, or was it in hopes of getting a union they could easily crush?

Probably both are goals of Indigo. I should think that they will work with the union up until they don't get what they want, then crush them.

Unfortunately, notwithstanding the whole Midwest seniority dispute issue and the backstabbing of 8 now 4 Midwest pilots who acted in their own self interest and lied, ALPA would have been a nice addition. Honestly though, you have to admit, ALPA, never really seemed to care enough to even woo or send an informational packet in the mail. Why should they get the votes then? There was really only one clear cut choice in this instance, FAPA. You just make the best decision you can and hope for the best.

Agreed 100% - I just hope we can be flexible and wise enough to do WHATEVER is necessary to preserve our work rules. - even if it means snuggling up with some not so savory entity. This is one case where I'm afraid the ends DO justify the means. I have a feeling if it got ugly, FAPA itself would fall it's sword to preserve the integrity of this pilot group - perhaps I'm naive.

ALPA
 

Make no mistake! ALPA was not, is not, and never will be the answer for anyone who is not Employeed by United or Delta. It's simple business and you can't fault ALPA or it's members. As a business organization it's interests remain with the representing the parties that bring in the revenue.

FAPA was and always will be the answer for the Frontier pilots. There will be very little to no question that they will represent noone else's interest than the F9 pilots alone. The answer to the lack of funding is partially solved by much volunteering on the part of the pilot members to accomplish many needed tasks. This has been the same evolution of many young professional organizations.

As a former survivor of ALPA antics I am very confident of the great start the F9 pilots have with their new representation. The way it is run and how well it is utilized is up to them.

Indigo doesn't work with any labor group- and any that are fooled into thinking they will are doomed.

ALPA isn't going to "chase you down". The pilots have to WANT to join. If you want the resources of the biggest and most effective pilot union in the world, your leadership needs to survey the members and then approach ALPA with a desire to affiliate. Being in and having a successful union is not a spectator sport.

Everybody needs to participate and get involved.

I wish y'all luck as an independent against Indigo. Any organization has warts, but to say that ALPA doesn't support smaller carriers is a lie. ALPA completely supported the Spirit strike, including bringing in ALPA Strike committee help from other carriers like United, Delta/NWA, FDX, and Comair. That effort was 100% successful.

The presence in DC on Capitol Hill and with the NMB is also much more in your favor with ALPA than with an independent. (Don't bother with the CAPA nonsense, nobody with influence knows what that is... But they definitely know what ALPA is and what they stand for.)

I'll be the first to welcome my fellow aviators at FAPA into ALPA.. We are stronger together than we are apart.

+1

If the rumors are true, FAPA pilots will be ALPA pilots in a few years anyway.

Lol, glad you have them back but don't forget they tanked the swa merge costing every single frontier pilot millions.

Wn tanked the deal my friend...
 

Wn couldn't get over the fact that the reverend b outsmarted the almighty Southwest machine in a basic bankruptcy auction. Instead of admitting a group of backwoods Indiana RJ operators pulled a fast one due to their lack of knowledge, they used the pilots as an excuse to pull the plug. There NEVER was a serious SWAPA offer, ZERO! Btw I am no fan of Bedford, but get the facts straight. Like it or not! The arrogance of SWAPA has pretty much made most F9 pilots GLAD to not be at such a place. Maybe the AirTran screw over wouldn't be enough proof to show what the F9'ers would have been in for. Glad to be back on our own, FAPA isn't perfect, but doing just fine....

yes! I'll get to fly with Sniper ;)