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stepping razor 08-27-2017 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by SEPfield (Post 2420422)
That is the most accurate part of your statement.

A possibility you perhaps didn't consider and I'll admit is pure speculation on my part is that maybe Delta is trying to eliminate the competition. Endeavor is still one of the few regionals that has not had to renegotiate its pay rates, meaning that once you subtract out the bonuses Endeavor is one of the cheapest regionals available right now.

If Delta were to close down ASA/Expressjet, GoJet, Compass..etc then the (currently reduced) amount of pilots would have fewer companies competing for their skills and Delta wouldn't have to pay as big of a bonus to attract attention.

Then when the next economic downturn hits, Delta can drop all the bonuses and Endeavor is right back to its bare bones post bankruptcy contract and the pilots on property have no choice but too accept it, because there is nowhere else to go. Especially true if Delta then announces the DGI program is the only way for a civilian pilot to get hired at delta. Sounds like end to end control to me


Anyone who thinks the regional model is dead hasn't watched enough horror movies.

As I said, pure speculation and I hope I'm wrong, I still have a lot of friends at endeavor.


Just so you know, none of what I said is speculation. Bonuses are currently being rolled (negotiated) into the hourly rate at Endeavor. Even if there is a economic downturn retirements still require a significant amount of pilots. The model failed because it turned away several generations of pilots causing the pilot pool to shrink.

airscout 08-27-2017 06:45 PM

Personally, I think that Delta is going to consolidate as much of it's RJ flying as possible into Endeavor. I think that GoJet is probably next on the chopping block. I also think that the G7 DTW domicile was a temporary thing. Nothing much became of it and there is no sign that G7 plans to stick around there for the long haul.

My question is, how does Endeavor plan to train all of the pilots needed to take over Express Jet, Compass, GoJet (maybe eventually SkyWest, etc) flying? Seems like they'd have to train a couple hundred pilots per month! I think that the Crj-200s will soon be gone, but still, even with just the 700s and 900s that's a lot of pilots to train.

zondaracer 08-27-2017 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by airscout (Post 2420718)
Personally, I think that Delta is going to consolidate as much of it's RJ flying as possible into Endeavor. I think that GoJet is probably next on the chopping block. I also think that the G7 DTW domicile was a temporary thing. Nothing much became of it and there is no sign that G7 plans to stick around there for the long haul.

My question is, how does Endeavor plan to train all of the pilots needed to take over Express Jet, Compass, GoJet (maybe eventually SkyWest, etc) flying? Seems like they'd have to train a couple hundred pilots per month! I think that the Crj-200s will soon be gone, but still, even with just the 700s and 900s that's a lot of pilots to train.

At Endeavor, it's a net gain of 17 planes I believe. They have 15 months basically to train 180 pilots plus whatever they need to account for attrition. It's doable I think.

As part of the deal of Expressjet/ASA winding down their flying, they are repainting 8 planes in AA colors and 22 in UA colors. United is scoped out so another regional, or combination of regionals, is losing 70 seat aircraft. Currently, only SkyWest, Mesa, Republic, and GoJet fly 70 seat aircraft for UA.

Bombardier Stev 08-27-2017 10:50 PM

Gojet is losing the Delta flying.

Perhaps the majors (lead by Delta it seems) have a plan for another reshuffling of the pilot deck? Turn some 100-118 per hour captains into 65 per hour captains?

If the majors just bite the bullet a little they think they can end the costly regional pilot shortage for a while. Perhaps they will end service to a bunch of cities citing the pilot shortage to gain support for the government to make them pilots willing to work for less.

Five93H 08-28-2017 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by airscout (Post 2420718)
Personally, I think that Delta is going to consolidate as much of it's RJ flying as possible into Endeavor. I think that GoJet is probably next on the chopping block. I also think that the G7 DTW domicile was a temporary thing. Nothing much became of it and there is no sign that G7 plans to stick around there for the long haul.

My question is, how does Endeavor plan to train all of the pilots needed to take over Express Jet, Compass, GoJet (maybe eventually SkyWest, etc) flying? Seems like they'd have to train a couple hundred pilots per month! I think that the Crj-200s will soon be gone, but still, even with just the 700s and 900s that's a lot of pilots to train.

Between hiring and attrition, Endeavor has been at around +20 month on month. We've had numerous classes of 30 this summer, and they run every two weeks. Limit is training capacity, and another sim is being brought online now.

phlyingPhil 08-30-2017 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by Bombardier Stev (Post 2420779)
Gojet is losing the Delta flying.

Perhaps the majors (lead by Delta it seems) have a plan for another reshuffling of the pilot deck? Turn some 100-118 per hour captains into 65 per hour captains?

If the majors just bite the bullet a little they think they can end the costly regional pilot shortage for a while. Perhaps they will end service to a bunch of cities citing the pilot shortage to gain support for the government to make them pilots willing to work for less.

What information do you have that backs up your conjecture that G7 is losing the delta flying.

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Britany757 08-31-2017 05:21 PM

checkride failure
 
How does gojet view applicants with previous checkride failures, iv had a few in the past and am looking to reestablish my career so wanted to see before i apply and interview.

Paid2fly 08-31-2017 09:00 PM


Originally Posted by gojo (Post 2420526)
The majors are consolidating resources and reducing competition to take care of their shareholders. And historically the airlines operate reactively verses proactively. About the only thing I agree with your thinking is that this is all conjecture. Me having a more optimistic view. We shall see. Hopefully this country will not have an economic downturn or another catastrophic event ever again







That last sentence seems totally realistic....









NOT!!!!!!!!!:rolleyes:

Pokeysrider 09-04-2017 03:41 PM

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"Britany757's Avatar Britany757 , 08-31-2017 08:21 PM
checkride failure
How does gojet view applicants with previous checkride failures, iv had a few in the past and am looking to reestablish my career so wanted to see before i apply and interview."


I recently interviewed and was told that my having only one checkride failure was better than the usual applicant.
So, it would appear they are used to seeing multiple checkride failures (particularly with CFIs - not 121 failures) and it doesn't seem to hold someone back if there are no other red flags that are raised. I received a CJO for FO and have accepted it!

Eseloco954 09-11-2017 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by Britany757 (Post 2423124)
How does gojet view applicants with previous checkride failures, iv had a few in the past and am looking to reestablish my career so wanted to see before i apply and interview.

I guess it really depends on how many a "few" is. Reguardless, you can probably get a job at almost any regional right now even with a couple failures in your past. Most company's just figure they'll weed you out in training.


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