Program Details:

2 years of service at G7
Captains must have completed 1 year after upgrade
no checkride failures in the last 2 years
no more than 2 failures in the last 5 years
no disciplinary action in your records.

if you meet these criteria you are then eligible to opt in to the program and conduct a "talent assessment" exam and have an interview with a spirit recruiter.

There is still no mention of how many will flow each month so there is still no "clearly defined" career path as the big shiny ads would have you believe. Also this program seems to function more as a retention tool for gojet than an actual career boost.

If an FO with 2 years service decides not to risk the notoriously high failure rate to upgrade in order to protect their flow chances then they lose the opportunity to log PIC time and increase their marketability and GoJet wins.
If that same FO decides to upgrade and fails, now they can't flow to Spirit and they have a failure on their records which decreases their marketability and GoJet wins
As a captain I see a much greater threat from opting into the program than the benefit of a flow to spirit. By opting in to the program I feel I am essentially painting a target on my back. I have just provided GoJet with incentive to fail me on a checkride event. If I get in a disagreement with ops regarding an extension or MEL or some other situation, they now have incentive to place a disciplinary record in my file. Why would I opt in to a program that places me at higher risk while offering no clearly defined benefit?

Furthermore, Why would any pilot think of joining a company that has a program in place that offers no clearly defined career benefit, but gives the company a huge incentive to fail/discipline you in order to assist their own retention efforts?

You make some great points, SEPfield.

From what I can tell over in the spirit forum it sounds like they are having to hire a lot of 135/91 guys because the 121 people are holding off on them hoping for offers from places that pay double. That and they don't want to go in there with their high failure rate in initial and then possibly sink their chances with a legacy.

Are you really saying that Gojet would flunk people on checkrides just because it would be in their own best interest?

Are you saying that Gojet would retaliate or use the threat of retaliation to keep pilots in line and to allow Gojet to violate the contract?

But Gojet keeps telling everyone how they have changed, how they don't do those things anymore! Shouldn't everyone believe their worlds of how they have changed and ignore the 35 years that Hulas Kanulas has been ****ing on anyone he had to to make a dollar? History is not a good predictor, is it?

Word is only 25 people signed up for the "Flow" to Spirit of about 600 pilots on property

I don't doubt it... until they up that first year pay a lot of guys can't afford to take a pay cut.

I love this thread

Interview invite
 

Interview invite emails just went out yesterday for Spirit/GoJet Pathway program. Anyone get one yet besides me? Curious how deep in seniority they had to go. I wonder if this going to be a typical Spirit interview.

nothing yet, 2012 hire

I must disagree that any good points were made. The facts are accurate, but the conclusionary defamation is wholly mere sensationalism. SEPfield is saying that management is out to screw pilots for short-term gains. I have given management plenty of illegitimate reasons to retaliate against me and yet even in probation, here I stand. I certainly hear the complaints about HQ and can see validity in them. Still, over and over again, GoJet has shown a strong emphasis is moving pilots in, moving them up, and moving them on. Of all the reasons to come to GoJet or avoid it, petty, childish management is not one.

They are doing you a favor then.

I know of a handful Who got invites

Has anyone seen any actual flow numbers? Seems they made a big deal about it, but then haven’t provided any actual results.

Are new hires being informed at the interview that Spirit is denying GoJet pilots interviews because of the “flow”

If this new TA passes Spirit might be a good place to get a free type rating.

There was a Facebook post today showcasing someone who went to Spirit. I've heard at least 4 a month. The only reason I've heard for people not going is if they fail the talent test. New hires are interviewed jointly for GoJet and Spirit.

So all new hires have to do is stay as an FO for 2 years and they flow? Is it really that simple? Are the assessments just for curent pilots?

The assessment test is for all pilots (similar to Hogan), new hires have already completed the interview. Anyone who was on property when the program went into effect has to Interview.

Dude you need a hobby besides APC.

Any updates on the Spirit flow? How many have gone? How many failed the personality inventory? Any new hires with interview gouges regarding the Spirit program?

They keep this a big secret for some reason. So far no official word form the company as to how many if any have actually flowed.
Smoke and mirrors .............. more lies for recruiters to tell people anything to get them in class.
With so many other options out there, I can't see ANY reason to come to GoJet at this time.

Seems to be what every regional forum is saying except Endeavor haha. Everyone loves their companies so much.

So i decided to talk a friend in the recruiting dept here at GoJet, and here's the latest info on the flow.

Seriously guys, if you want to know anything about the flow, just talk to the recruiters. He stressed that nothing is a secret about the program and to feel to talk to even the head of recruiting.

Official:GoJet Pathway to Spirit
 

Have class numbers increases since Spirit TA was announced????

Spirit just ratified that very TA today 70%. With GoJets 2 year flow to Spirit (no interview) means full/more seats with butts at the GoJet NH classes going forward

Am I right?

Official:GoJet Pathway to Spirit
 

Totally disagree with this part! It’s like asking a person looking for a new car to have a discussion with a thirsty salesman whether or not it’s a good idea to buy a new car. You know the truth will get stretched.

It’s like Envoy posting on FB that flow is 6yrs. What they are telling aspirants, applicants, and NH’s. ALPA Union Rep has to correct them publicly on FB that “Flow is 9yrs” projection currently for a NH at Envoy, not the 6yrs recruiting is spewing. It was a 6yr flow 2 years ago, not anymore. 3-4yrs is a big difference in FACTS. If the information was not out, FACTS could not be checked. Vital information to get does Into one making serious career decisions.

Imagine a shinny eyed career seeking, new to 121 aspirant calling to speak to the Recruiting Department asking for “Flow” data. If it’s not a secret then they should make it public information! Official statements and releases. Not a phone call to recruiters to hear from them only. No accountability over the phone for false statements that lures a poor NH into making a decision he/she didn’t realize was false lure tactic.

Another thing I’m pretty sure is a fact is that GoJet has lost more pilots to Endeavor than have flowed this year (probably total haha). I know a few more guys that will be dropping their resignations this week.

What part of what he said was recruiter salesman drivel? Everything was just facts so far....

Facts are usually supported by evidence.
If the flow is really working and an incentive then why wouldn’t the company want to highlight that? Don’t you think the names and class dates would be published in that ridiculous “wings and things” newsletter or at least something on the FB page.
These “facts” are coming from a recruiter, who’s job it is to fill seats by whatever means necessary. I’m sure they aren’t lying exactly, but maybe not being completely honest either.

Kind of like me telling a girl she could become a model if she lets me take nude pictures of her. Is it possible? Sure, why not? But it’s about as likely as GoJet new hire flowing to Spirit in 2 years.

We average about 40-45 new vacancy every month for FO’s. How many of those new hires have to come from GJ, I have no idea. No one at Spirit that I’ve talked to seem to have the answers. I would assume more pilots are interested in coming over since the TA passed.

more Gojetters are going to Endeavor than Spirit! That should tell you something.

Everyone has their own reasons I guess, I left Endeavor to go to Spirit, and i just meet a new hire who left 9E for Spirit recently.

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So there you have it. Since the beginning of the Spirit flow program in November, GoJet has sent 1 confirmed person to Spirit. So at a rate or .25 persons per month and 570ish pilots on the seniority list that puts a new hire flow at 150 years. Let’s call it 75 to account for outside attrition.

In the meantime I personally know 5 pilots that have had their interviews cancelled or job offers recinded due to the flow.

Basically, if there is even a 1 in a million chance you might want to go to Spirit then you should go anywhere but GoJet. You have a better shot at getting hired outside the flow at one of the American wholy owned.

That's weird, I know like ten people who are at Spirit from the GoJet Pathway program. I am one of them. A lot of guys deferred due to first year pay, but I'm sure the new contract will get them onboard.

Exactly! There are 10 there, 11 on deferral right now most of which were probably waiting on the new contract. The program started in November. But keep up those rumors SEP-guy.

People CHOOSE to opt in to the pathway, so they are only going to send people that ask to go.
Something tells me the program is much more attractive now considering the new contract.

Well that’s great. What are their names? Where can I see a list of the successful Spirit flows? When is the next Spirit class? And what GoJet pilots are in that class?

You can claim we are sending 50 pilots a month, but until we see actual confirmed names it’s just like every other GoJet recruiting attempt. Smoke and mirrors.

I can contact pilots at any of the AA wholly owned and get the names of every pilot that has flowed in the last year. Why is that info at G7 such a closely guarded secret?

I’ve never said the program isn’t attractive. I’m saying the program is a lie.

The flow is still in a stage of infancy. I’d give it some time for actual numbers to be posted and like other guys stated above there were a bunch of people who deferred for a year but now that the pay is up over at spirit expect to see a good number of guys headed that way.