Official:GoJet Pathway to Spirit
 

New hires must spend two years with GoJet and will have a guaranteed job with Spirit, no interview required. Pilots already on property will need to do a Talent test first and possibly a small interview with a Spirit representative. Captains must spend a year in the left seat before moving on to Spirit under the program. Pilots will go over at FIRST YEAR PAY. Number of pilots initially to "path" to Spirit will initially be under 10 pilots per month.

By 2021 Spirit will have 165 airplanes. Currently Spirit has 1600 pilots for 100 planes. (16 pilots per plane)

I can't see DL and UA being to thrilled when delays/cancellations start to rack up due to lack of crew. Both are looking to get rid of RJs and GoJet is not big for either carrier. GoJet may have just put themselves out of business with this flow. But hey at least you will be at spirit.

Stay At GoJets and get hired at legacy..............

Yeah. Don't know if I could stomach $38 an hour first year pay at Spirit. Fo's at GoJet make a hell of a lot more than that with bonuses etc. Feeling kinda torn here. Live in Chicago, have degree and 1000's of hours PIC. Maybe I'll stick it out at G7.

I think the only way I would flow to Spirit would be if I already had a couple thousand hours of TPIC and I had already tried like hell to get hired at a legacy. If nothing was panning out then I would go ahead and flow. If I didn't have my 1,000 121 TPIC or if I hadn't already given it the ole college try to get hired at a legacy then I wouldn't flow. I know a couple CAs over at GoJet now who have told me they most likely aren't going to flow...

You aren't welcome at Spirit. Spread the word....

Don't take your frustrations with our management out on our fellow aviators. I'm not happy about this attempt to delay or prevent an industry standard contract but I won't attack our fellow airmen. We all came to NK for one reason or another. Welcome the new guys/gals and work on improving your resume to leave NK.

I am looking out for OUR aviators. Are you?

Second year pay would have made a huge difference. A lot of guys will pass this up because of that.

$33k a year...

Fine with us. We survived on first year pay because we wanted to be there, you can keep your entitlement and ego in your RJ.

Why with gojet?

Agreed. Most captains will say thanks but no thanks. Spirit has to up it's pay.

Yes. But telling our future coworkers they aren't welcome because you don't agree with our HR's programs is petty and unprofessional.

Love how Dumpsterdiver has like 3 posts. What a d bag.

This is odd.
I totally get how a metered flow would get people to stay at gojet, but a two year time frame?!?
There must be a *

Management knowing that there's a clock on the contracts at G7 and that time is running out, needs a carrot to staff it to the end?

"Pilots already on property will need to do a Talent test first and possibly a small interview with a Spirit representative."

So, not a true flow then. More comparable to the Endeavor deal. Pass a test...pass some type of interview...and hope to be selected.

And Spirit gains a source of pilots with which it can staff its operation, further hampering Spirit ALPA's efforts to win leverage in contract negotiations.

Lols coming from a bus driver who makes some of the worst averages in the industry. How does it feel to know your peers are literally making double of what you make for the same routes and equipment? Talking down on RJs, you're in the same boat buddy. You can go to Spirit, I'm okay with flying my RJs till I get a call from a real company.

You seem to forget that not that long ago Spirit pilots was one of the highest paid 320 pilots in the industry. Higher than United or US Air. Now it our time to get paid, you seem to make it sound like it's our fault that our pay is low compared to everyone else. I personally don't care who you work for or what you fly. I spent 8 years flying for the regionals myself so I know what it's like.

That's for pilots on property. New hires to GoJet do an interview to Spirits standards and are guaranteed a slot in two years with no further interview when they flow. Since pilots on property theoretically didn't do the special interview, they still have to do the assessment. No big deal. The assessment is pretty easy. I know some real interesting characters that work at Spirit (no offense intended) so I'm not completely sure what the purpose of the personality assessment is to be honest.

so only people currently on property need to be a captain for a year?

Captain one year after upgrade, FO two years

What are you smoking. NK has never been an industry leader in pay. Not even close. They may have had an hourly pay rate somewhere in the longevity scale that matched or was slightly higher than United or Delta but once you added soft pay, work rules, retirement, etc it wasn't even close. I have to laugh when some dude at NK tries to pull the whole " oh we use to be industry leaders" line. So is Allegiant an industry leader because their first year pay was higher than Southwest until SW newest contract was passed? Get real dude!!! NK has always been a second tier airline that's the facts jack.

Did I say industry leading? Go back and read my post again. I compared Spirit to United and US Air at one time. This was 2012. See for yourself.

http://www.flyslipstream.com/Airline...apshot2012.pdf

It's mind boggling people think this way. Did you know that year 2 exist and year 10? You don't want to be that guy waiting for the legacy call 10-15 years later and still at the regional. Spirit will eventually get a raise like everybody else. The pay cut is the best guaranteed investment you can make since there is life beyond year 1 pay. I don't think you can make $200k+ at the regional.

I was that guy at one point. RJ CA making decent money, days off I wanted. Then I watch Delta parked 100+ RJ's in a short period of time. I get it, some people get comfortable, and don't want to move on until the legacies call.

Are you honestly picking Hulas over Spirit ?! Bwahahaha ha :eek:

Take a 3-5 year pay cut and bottom out seniority to move to a ****ty ULCC sounds like a brilliant idea! It will take years to catch up.

I agree. Without thinking this through, GoJet has just signed their death warrant. Four years max, they will be gone.

Playing two ends with opposite objectives will end badly.

That's what people say about Lakes every year, there still flying. G7 will always be around because they are the cheapest fees out there. I love my short period of time here, but am glad I have moved on.

DH

Why would they be out of business because of a flow? If this helps them staff, which it probably will, United and Delta would be happy to keep them versus a carrier that can't staff.

Plus, 10 a year REALLY isn't that big of a deal.

10/month = about 120 of a 580 Pilot group each year. :rolleyes:

After last night, your mummy is no longer welcome in my apartment.

Man! I am continuously impressed with how well G7 understands and leverages its place as a regional carrier to get its pilots moving on. Staff it up and clear it out. No, it's not a seven-year flow to a legacy as with AAG regionals. And no, it's not a guaranteed interview at a legacy that requires you to swear your allegnece and refuse flying your airline's routes for other code shares. Yes, for those who are excited that their dream job with a legacy is only a couple thousand PIC hours away, it does not make sense. But for those who don't want to have to depend on a legacy to decide their fate this is a great option. G7 is kind of a no brainer for new 121 pilots whose ambition is to get in and move up fast. Two years to a national carrier flying airbus? And if Spirit is not your cup of tea, you can still upgrade to CA in record time and work toward your other goals.

Spirit pilots. I recognize I do not understand all the intrecacies of your labor disputes, but looking at the numbers I can assure you the G7 pilots going your way are pilots who WANT to fly for Spirit. When contract negotiations come up, they'll be equally interested in a pilot-favorable contract.

Is this correct? 10 per month?

2 year flow is 580 Pilots / 2 years = 290 Pilots per year flowing.

My prediction is they will have difficulties staffing and maintaining a stable crewing without undue random flight cancellations for lack of crew.

When Delta and United see the results of a lot of random cancellations, they will be hesitant about renewing their contracts with GoJet.

My prediction. I own it and will take responsibility for it. Check back in 4 years.

I don't predict anything near 100% participation. Not many pilots will want to take a pay cut to sit right seat for an airline not on their radar. Also, this will be a huge ADDITIONAL recruiting tool to keep the airline staffed. Competitive pay, $12-15k new-hire bonus without signed commitment, record fast upgrade, and a two-year flow to a national carrier if you like...

Knowing G7, I guarantee you 2 years will turn into 4. You will sitting there ****ed that you took the job under a contract with many holes. What does it actually say ? Is it "up to" 10? Because that could be any number between 0 and 10. Now a days there is more dishonesty in the way coorporations do business. This is even more so when it relates to the way Gojet does business. If I were there I would leave as soon as I could, and if I were looking for my first 121 gig I would run away as far as I could from G7. New applicants should look at the overall picture. I know companies don't advertise everything so, I encourage you to use all the resources available today to reach out to current pilots at their respective companies and get the real scoop. Good luck !

I think it's a great deal for UA an DAL. They probably encouraged it. Flows only exist to keep a feeder airline staffed. More people will go to GoJet for the flow, therefore alleviating some staffing issues. And UA and DAL have no obligation to hire them. Unlike AA being told who their new pilots will be with no input.