GoJet Hiring???????
11-16-2008 | 02:12 PM
#291
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From: Devil's Advocate
JSing is a privilege, not a right....
But if you come on board with good intentions and don't break any FARs or offend anyone....Your company pays a couple $100K a year for CASS...
I think the captain pretty much has to accept you on their flight....just as other airlines have to accept him....
Denying a JS without a legitimate reason is discrimination..
If you deny someone a JS based on the fact that he works for GoJet....what's the difference if someone denies me a JS based on the fact that I'm a black man?
But if you come on board with good intentions and don't break any FARs or offend anyone....Your company pays a couple $100K a year for CASS...
I think the captain pretty much has to accept you on their flight....just as other airlines have to accept him....
Denying a JS without a legitimate reason is discrimination..
If you deny someone a JS based on the fact that he works for GoJet....what's the difference if someone denies me a JS based on the fact that I'm a black man?
11-16-2008 | 02:14 PM
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You make a valid point, as usual. However, I believe that in the days of old when unions still made a difference in how business was done, Bill would have been beaten for trying to undercut his fellow workers.
Anyone with the right training can do a specific job. However if only a small percentage of those men and women of that profession start doing their job for less than is the industry minimum, we will all suffer. Yes, I am aware that GoJetters make the industry average for a 70-seater. But it's not all about pay.
GoJetters:
What day did you start paying dues at your company?
Was it the day you passed your checkride?
What happens if you decide not to pay your dues?
And what kind of protection does the Teamsters offer you?
Are you aware that some of your union representatives are management "yes-men," some of who originally abandoned Trans States Airlines?
Didn't a few of your previous union reps just get fired?
Why was that?
Did they do something wrong?
Do you currently have an open line of communication with our Union reps?
Wouldn't it be in both our interests to help each other out?
I challenge any GoJetter to step up to the plate and answer all of those questions. Honestly. Factually.
Anyone with the right training can do a specific job. However if only a small percentage of those men and women of that profession start doing their job for less than is the industry minimum, we will all suffer. Yes, I am aware that GoJetters make the industry average for a 70-seater. But it's not all about pay.
GoJetters:
What day did you start paying dues at your company?
Was it the day you passed your checkride?
What happens if you decide not to pay your dues?
And what kind of protection does the Teamsters offer you?
Are you aware that some of your union representatives are management "yes-men," some of who originally abandoned Trans States Airlines?
Didn't a few of your previous union reps just get fired?
Why was that?
Did they do something wrong?
Do you currently have an open line of communication with our Union reps?
Wouldn't it be in both our interests to help each other out?
I challenge any GoJetter to step up to the plate and answer all of those questions. Honestly. Factually.
11-16-2008 | 02:15 PM
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And there are plenty of them.
11-16-2008 | 02:20 PM
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Guess just be sure there aren't two ore more other JSs also....
Or guess Captain planet could kick all of them off.
Or guess Captain planet could kick all of them off.
11-16-2008 | 02:39 PM
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Why would they do that when they felt comfortable taking your job in the first place? Yea like they're going to help you get your job back. No, When AMR is dropped, staple the gojetters to the bottom. They're bound to say yes anyways just as long as they get to keep flying, remember they're only TSA contract workers brought in to undermine the TSA cba.
11-20-2008 | 11:05 AM
#296
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From: Devil's Advocate
GoJetters:
What day did you start paying dues at your company?
Was it the day you passed your checkride?
What happens if you decide not to pay your dues?
And what kind of protection does the Teamsters offer you?
Are you aware that some of your union representatives are management "yes-men," some of who originally abandoned Trans States Airlines?
Didn't a few of your previous union reps just get fired?
Why was that?
Did they do something wrong?
Do you currently have an open line of communication with our Union reps?
Wouldn't it be in both our interests to help each other out?
I challenge any GoJetter to step up to the plate and answer all of those questions. Honestly. Factually.
What day did you start paying dues at your company?
Was it the day you passed your checkride?
What happens if you decide not to pay your dues?
And what kind of protection does the Teamsters offer you?
Are you aware that some of your union representatives are management "yes-men," some of who originally abandoned Trans States Airlines?
Didn't a few of your previous union reps just get fired?
Why was that?
Did they do something wrong?
Do you currently have an open line of communication with our Union reps?
Wouldn't it be in both our interests to help each other out?
I challenge any GoJetter to step up to the plate and answer all of those questions. Honestly. Factually.
11-20-2008 | 11:10 AM
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From: UPS 757/767 Capt ONT
"And if you don't answer the questions, I will do it for you."
But then you'd be talking to yourself. I think that's some sort of psychosis.
Anyway, answering your own questions is nothing more than making a statement. Fire away....
But then you'd be talking to yourself. I think that's some sort of psychosis.
Anyway, answering your own questions is nothing more than making a statement. Fire away....
11-20-2008 | 11:23 AM
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Don't worry Carl, their silence is deafening.
Airwillie is too busy trying to justify his poor choice by bashing Mesa in other threads. The rest are just trying to make sure their badges are hidden and UAL bagtags are prominently displayed.
Airwillie is too busy trying to justify his poor choice by bashing Mesa in other threads. The rest are just trying to make sure their badges are hidden and UAL bagtags are prominently displayed.
11-20-2008 | 11:58 AM
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From: UPS 757/767 Capt ONT
Hey, I gotta question...
Did you know that Lorenzo broke ALPA at CO in the 80's using scabs and guys that got hired after the strike. Even with all that, after a few years, ALPA guys went back, and eventually, ALPA even once again became the union at CO. You guys wouldn't deny the jumpseat to a post strike CO guy, would you? Based on the fact that he's working at what once was an "alter ego" airline.
My point is, at some point you gotta put the past in the past and move forward. I was never a fan of how Gojet got started. But how long will it take to realize there is nothing to be gained from all this Gojet bashing? This hatred is really counterproductive to the unity of the profession. Even ALPA figured that one out when they worked hard to reunite themselves with the CO pilot group.
Just some food for thought...
Did you know that Lorenzo broke ALPA at CO in the 80's using scabs and guys that got hired after the strike. Even with all that, after a few years, ALPA guys went back, and eventually, ALPA even once again became the union at CO. You guys wouldn't deny the jumpseat to a post strike CO guy, would you? Based on the fact that he's working at what once was an "alter ego" airline.
My point is, at some point you gotta put the past in the past and move forward. I was never a fan of how Gojet got started. But how long will it take to realize there is nothing to be gained from all this Gojet bashing? This hatred is really counterproductive to the unity of the profession. Even ALPA figured that one out when they worked hard to reunite themselves with the CO pilot group.
Just some food for thought...
11-20-2008 | 12:29 PM
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From: Devil's Advocate
GoJetters: Hulas Kanodia is going to do the same thing to GoJet as he did to Trans States. Learn from our mistakes. And for love of Orville and Wilbur, do some research next time you apply for a job.
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