What would it take for GoJet....
10-10-2006, 07:23 AM
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What would it take for GoJet....
I would like a couple of serious ideas (instead of the regular bashing), about what it would take for GoJet and their pilot group to progress beyond their current "blacklist" status?
I ask this because we as pilots, are responsible for our own progression and developement in the industry. We certainly cannot expect management, the government, or even our own unions to bring us to our goals.
I understand that when pilots choose to support a company that sets a standard below what we expect, that hurts us all since every other company now sees that as the new standard. I think assisting the GoJet pilot group in helping force their management to raise their standards helps us all much more than just bashing and ostrasizing them. If the companies divide the workforce, they (the workforce) become easier to conquer. So ideally get the pilots there to start making the changes they need. The first step of getting union representation has been taken. What do they need to do next? Help them and you help us all. (For the record I don't fly for GoJet
).
I bring this up because all I every see is a bunch of GoJet bashing, but no solutions to the problem. If you truely want to be an asset to the industry, it works better if the toxic attitude can be put aside and a solution put in place which can eventually help us all.
I ask this because we as pilots, are responsible for our own progression and developement in the industry. We certainly cannot expect management, the government, or even our own unions to bring us to our goals.
I understand that when pilots choose to support a company that sets a standard below what we expect, that hurts us all since every other company now sees that as the new standard. I think assisting the GoJet pilot group in helping force their management to raise their standards helps us all much more than just bashing and ostrasizing them. If the companies divide the workforce, they (the workforce) become easier to conquer. So ideally get the pilots there to start making the changes they need. The first step of getting union representation has been taken. What do they need to do next? Help them and you help us all. (For the record I don't fly for GoJet
). I bring this up because all I every see is a bunch of GoJet bashing, but no solutions to the problem. If you truely want to be an asset to the industry, it works better if the toxic attitude can be put aside and a solution put in place which can eventually help us all.
10-10-2006, 07:33 AM
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"I bring this up because all I every see is a bunch of GoJet bashing, but no solutions to the problem. If you truely want to be an asset to the industry, it works better if the toxic attitude can be put aside and a solution put in place which can eventually help us all."????????
If they really want to be an asset to the industry, they would quit GoJets and work for the half dozen airlines desperate for pilots!
The consiquences should be so sever for GoJets pilots that no other pilot would consider working there. That is the solution!
Why would you consider embracing them? So they can step on your back again in the future???
If they really want to be an asset to the industry, they would quit GoJets and work for the half dozen airlines desperate for pilots!
The consiquences should be so sever for GoJets pilots that no other pilot would consider working there. That is the solution!
Why would you consider embracing them? So they can step on your back again in the future???
10-10-2006, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by cruiseclimb
I would like a couple of serious ideas (instead of the regular bashing), about what it would take for GoJet and their pilot group to progress beyond their current "blacklist" status?
10-10-2006, 07:48 AM
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Mushroom is correct. Down the road somewhere if I encountered a pilot who did a short stint at gojets followed a normal progression at another regional I probably wouldn't hold that against him much. I would assume youthful inexperience or lack of all the info at the time.
10-10-2006, 07:49 AM
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I see your point about stepping on someone elses back later in their career.. Maybe I'm too idealistic. I'm not saying embrace them... but guide them like you would one of the students you would instruct. Maybe some of them just don't know any better.
If these guys quit at GoJets, will other companies hire them? I know I've read posts of guys who'd quit and moved on. Would any major consider hiring a GoJet guy?
If these guys quit at GoJets, will other companies hire them? I know I've read posts of guys who'd quit and moved on. Would any major consider hiring a GoJet guy?
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10-10-2006, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by cruiseclimb
I see your point about stepping on someone elses back later in their career.. Maybe I'm too idealistic. I'm not saying embrace them... but guide them like you would one of the students you would instruct. Maybe some of them just don't know any better.
If these guys quit at GoJets, will other companies hire them? I know I've read posts of guys who'd quit and moved on. Would any major consider hiring a GoJet guy?
If these guys quit at GoJets, will other companies hire them? I know I've read posts of guys who'd quit and moved on. Would any major consider hiring a GoJet guy?
The guys doing the hiring at the majors today might or might not have too much awareness on the gojets thing. Down the road, when some of today's regional pilots are at the majors it could tough for gojetter to get a major job if there are pilots on property who remember and care about the whole thing.
Certain majors make the list of all new-hire poolies available to the ENTIRE pilot group...anybody doesn't like what they see, you're out of the pool. What are the odds that just one an ex-TSA guy is already there...do you think he's going to read that list posted in the crew-room? I bet he does...
Even if you get hired at some major, you still have a sim instructor, an examiner, an IOE check airman, and a probationary PC to get through. Better hope none of those folks are ex-TSA (or other regional guys with long memories).
10-10-2006, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellen
Why doesn't ALPA try to represent Go Jet pilots?
GoJets management arranged for the teamsters to represent gojets early on. The teamsters unfortunately has a weak record with airlines; basically they just collect dues and don't do sh*t...but the presence of the teamsters blocks out alpa, which is what management intended. I would rather have my own in-house union like AA or SWA.
10-10-2006, 08:33 AM
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If the GoJet pilot group was intergrated into the TSA list (ie stapled) and TSA ALPA got a single list for that flying, along with their current work rules and industry average 70 seat pay (which was ALL TSA ALPA ASKED FOR) I don't think it would be forgiven, but people would forget (ala Freedom A list).
