I want to keep the info I'm trying to get on why to not work for Gojet right...on a previous post, it was stated that pay is not really an issue or the main issue.

Also, just something interesting to me, Republic pays the same for FO pay for all A/C reguardless of size. Howcome they aren't being talked bad about when it comes to the pay?

The reason why people talk badly about them is the way they were started. To some extent, the past is the past. It did happen a long time ago. I think why more hatred is being voiced recently is due to the fact that it appears TSA is finally dying. A lot of good guys are getting furloughed now and that is happening because of what happened with the go jet fiasco years ago.

Yes, and many of the furloughed TSA pilots are going to Gojet, so I heard.

They were under the assumption that they would receive half longevity. But the G7 union is not agreeing to the LOA that was signed with TSH. A final farewell to the pilots while TSA is going under.

Oh really? Go Jet is going back on their word to TSA pilots?

Unless you look on this forum there is no bad attitude towards Gojet pilots and even on this forum there is probably 2 guys that post all the BS about GoJet. Real world we are just another regional in mainlines eyes. There is no stigma working here and it is a good place to be. HELL of a lot better than the last regional I was at!!!!

Is that a joke, because I laughed really hard.....not sure if you are serious...

errr... okay, :rolleyes:

cosmo,

Gojet pilots are knowingly and willingly screwing over every single Trans States Airlines Pilot.

All of these flights should be flown by mainline pilots on mainline equiptment.

No Stigma, eh? Sorry, but if you are introducing yourself as United Express asking for the jumpseat and are embarrassed to say you work for GoJet, there is something wrong.

If there is no stigma then why is the union not agreeing with the loa for half longevity for Tsa pilots?

Well guess what that might have been one guy but I ALWAYS say who I work for. There is no embarrassment at all at GoJet. Unless maybe they didn't hire you?

What is your plan to shut down the entire regional industry and turn the flying over? We can't even say to people keep away from a single company. And define mainline equipment....some airports/pax loads require something smaller than 73s. Actually not intended to be flame-bait but I feel I will be anyways.

Why do you think Mesaba didn't sign a j/s agreement with GJ, or GJ didn't get an agreement with Pinnacle til last year? Your J/S chairman was trying very hard to get an agreement with us, over and over til we agreed to it. Pinnacle didn't delay it this long for no reason.

By mainline pilots yes.. that whole 'mainline equipment' is just residual SJS.

AirCanada flies 170s and gets paid accordingly.

Can somebody tell me how many passengers did the B727-100, DC-9/20-30, and B737-100/200 carried?. And also weren't those the A/Cs that the mainline folks where flying to the same spot he's refering to?. The only difference now it's a slight more competition, and higher margins for the companies due to lower cost now in comparison to then and not much of a price difference. Get rid of a few regionals, load still remains the same, and see what the majors do. And tell those airports that require something smaller than 73s to kick SWA out of their property. They shouldn't be there. :cool:

The Pinnacle j/s committee has changed ALOT over the last year, guys have gone on long LOA and moved to other carriers. They were also very difficult to contact in a timely manner, not complaining, just saying, this coming from another carriers jumpseat chair.

You mean it took years for that? uhhh no. E.D. who was our j/s chairman would not agree to it. J.H. took over not that long ago finally agreed to it which took a couple of phone calls. I had a sim session with E.D. before he took a LOA, and asked him why he wouldn't sign with GJ, but he didn't want to get into it. You can draw you own conclutions as to why he wouldn't sign an agreement with GJ when we have an agreement with just about everyone out there.

Having a jumpseat war is the most ludicrous thing you can do. Cutting off your nose to spite your face. OOOH we won't let you on our jumpseat.....but wait that means we can't ride on yours?? GROW UP CHILDREN!!!

Ofcouse you would say that, since you are the one being turned down. We have an agreement with just about everyone, even small 135 places. In 4+ years our J/S chairman only had a few people ask him why we didn't have an agreement with GJ. I don't think most pilots in our group really cared if we could ride on GJ or not.

I would like to apologize, I have personal rule of not drinking and going on the forums but I broke that rule. The paragraph you are referring to had nothing to do with you and I tried to add an extra line of space to separate it but it should have been a separate post or not even mentioned at all. The dull logic behind it came from posts I have seen in the past about crews threating other crews and I just think that is pathetic. Again my apologies, it had absolutely nothing to do with you.



I’m not sure what you mean by you being consistent, it seem like you are implying that I am not but I don’t agree with that.

And I’m not trying to deflect your question with a question but I don’t really see a question in there. Could you please be more specific and I’d be happy to answer any questions you have?

It was actually a serious question about who is threatening others, and further I hope folks don't feel physically threatened by what I say. I have no need to figure out who any of you are. None-the-less apology accepted. Takes guts and class not many have on the.forums to apologize. I have had a few brews when I have read the forums myself. Buzzed forum-ing is drunk forum-ing. :D

You said something about me mentioning that management has won at GJ and TSA. My beef is mostly that pilots let GJ succeed from the start, thus emboldening management for future power plays. I know it is clear I am not happy with the creation of GJ and not happy that pilots decided to work for them. My question was, if literally no one flew for them initially, what would have happened to GJ? Would the TSA pilots had a chance to play ball? I care about that saga for sake of another pilot group, not my own. Pilots support other pilots. In this case I feel that Waterskiers were let down.

I'd say McDonalds needs to get a union! :D

Not at some mainline airlines!

I feel like TSH uses GJ as a test bed to find out how much shady business the pilot group will put up with, and the pilots bent over there say "thank you sir, may I have another?" Then they go around defending and even lying about the state of affairs there.
I chose to be a flight instructor an extra year instead of going to GJ...

I have a question for you all. I personally know several Comair guys who are going over to Gojet. I understand why so many TSA guys/ gals are upset at Gojet. That said, we have 5+ year FO's who will soon be on the street at Comair who could be CQFO's or upgrade quickly at Gojet. As I said earlier, I really do feel bad for the plight of the TSA pilots. That said, we at Comair held the line in early 2001, and that didn't exactly work out for us. Not that it will matter to everyone, but the new flying Gojet is getting are CA tail numbers. My question is
how poorly would soon to be furloughed Comair be viewed if they made the switch to Gojet?

Tail numbers don't mean anything. The first G7 Delta aircraft left Comair in 07 and went to ASA and then to Expressjet. The aircraft is owned by Delta. Never heard a word about ASA stealing flying from OH but let G7 get planes from ASA and holy crap hell has frozen over and G7 is stealing flying by under bidding. From what I hear ASA couldn't staff the flying Delta gave them.

From what I'm hearing, G7 is having the same problem.

That is because you joined in OCT 11. It was said back when it happened.

sorry but I was at OH in 05. Never heard a word about it.

g7 has no staffing issues. period.

Yea, we (XJT) still have the airplanes. You were originally scheduled to receive them all at once but that's no longer the case.

Gojet gonna get 'em sooner or later. :cool:

not true at all, we were never scheduled to receive them all at once.

Good Luck Guys!

Just like fellow TSA Pilots. However 99.9% of them ARE NOT TAKING A JOB AT GOJET.

99.9 huh? Thats obviously not the case.

If I have my way there will not be a j/s agreement with G7 at the new 9E. If your delta non-rev bennies cant get you on you will not be flying on a Pincolsba aircraft. The fact that you G7 guys feel entiled to every carriers j/s is just bloody rude. IMHO....