I must be crazy!!!! Okay more than 90% of regionals out there! I think awac guys still make more than us with soft pay.

Captain pay at PSA is much better than years of FO pay at any "great contract" regional like AWAC, XJT, SKW etc.

Definitely PSA

Live with what? Having great scheduling language that allows us to choose our own schedule and credit significantly more than we fly, bringing us right up to par with most other regionals pay wise, and above most QoL wise?

Sucks to be us.

Also most on this website chose to vote no.

So the real question is.....for a new 121 pilot....why not PSA?

I wouldn't go to GoJet. Not because of all the reasons everyone on here is going to give, but because they are stagnated right now and have a well below average contract.

Why go to XJT, or Skywest and sit on reserve as an FO for 2 years and then wait 7+ years to upgrade to a livable wage?

Why? So YOU like him better? Give it a rest. It's simply not realistic.

If you're commuting from Dallas Eagle makes the most sense.

If you're commuting from Dallas, Xjt also makes a lot of sense.

Psa or gojet??
 

Better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than open one's mouth (or type on a keyboard, in this case) and remove all doubt.

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This thread reminds me of an argument over who is the top fly on a heaping pile of...

ALL regionals suck. QOL sucks, except for the top three guys on each list. The rest have just never had it any better to know, and some never will.

To the original question- pick your poison and live with it like the rest of us. Just understand that you may be there longer than you thought, so chose wisely.

With this, I agree.

With this, I disagree. Case in point, I'm bidding 13 out of 15 in my base and was still able to get 15 days off, all trips commutable on both ends. My QOL doesn't "suck." :cool:

Really? Do you know why they changed their name to silver? It's because bps was running a story about them, and their car parts, and their fos making less than the Florida minimum wage, and the pilots they trained being involved in numerous airline crashes.

It seems we, the pilots, have become the biggest recruiters for our companies. Everyone needs more people coming in below them right now! :eek: Well played, management! :eek::eek:

Easy there... when I say live with it, that's generalized, meaning that once you've made your choice, live with it and you shouldn't have to make excuses in a message board as to why you chose that place. And let's be real here, there's not one regional out there worth writing home about.... Also, asking why PSA or GoJet when there are others hiring and he's commuting from DFW is a valid question... Besides, asking about the basics of a company after you've got a job offer is asking to be blasted on these boards, everyone knows that. Only worse would be to not know anything about them on day 1 of indoc.

P.S. Page 6 and no reply from the OP, we've been trolled...

Living in base increases QOL exponentially. If you have a regional based where you live I'd put a high priority there, regardless of their contract. Commuting to a regional with out station basing is not an ideal situation.

Why go somewhere else? I can see Eagle for a DFW base but if you are going to commute it might as well be for PSA because there is a chance of a "winning lottery ticket". Also, and this is pure speculation, PSA could easily have a DFW crew base in the near future.

You're absolutely correct about no good regionals which is exactly my point....Why Go to XJT, or Skywest and stagnate for years when you can go to PSA and have a pretty good chance at huge movement and relatively fast upgrades. PSA's contract is not glaringly bad. It's not the best one out there but it's also far from the worst.

The risk(which is pretty much none) is worth the potential reward.

By the way the same goes for Mesa, or Compass. Both regionals that are slated to have some big movement in the next couple years. Now is the time to get on at those places.

Edit: I forgot about the XJT DFW base. That is for sure something to weigh and is very important for QoL.

Haha, Agreed....

I honestly think that PSA will be seeing some hard times in the future... I feel that AA has plans to shed future regional flying.

I understand that logic, and would like to believe it. I've just been to 3 other airlines in the past that was slated to be the next company to upgrade captains in less than 2 years. 2 furloughs, a bankruptcy and a failed seniority list integration later, I'm a bit .... well jaded... lol, the only thing that made it a little bearable the last 3 years of my regional stint was biting the bullet and moving in base.

Unknown. I do know that AA is putting mainline acft on hub to hub flts like CLT-MIA, CLT-ORD etc.

PSA does almost no hub to hub flying other than the occasional CLT-PHL/DCA.

You could be correct, but why would AA go through the trouble of getting the concessions they wanted only to shrink said airline? It makes no sense. Not only that it makes way more sense to grow that airline to reap their perceived benefits, and flow the list to curtail longevity expenses.

Lastly, PSA is guaranteed to exist as at least a 30 acft company until 2023.

This all means nothing because we all know that if we think we have something figured out the airline will do 100% the opposite.

Your right it wouldn't make sense... I feel that they are really understanding now that the regional flying is not sustainable with all of the new rules and staffing "issues". Maybe they plan on experiencing with a new bussiness model? The reason why I think this way is because all of the current contracts have been created prior to the current condition of the industry.

You could be correct, but why would AA go through the trouble of getting the concessions they wanted only to shrink said airline? It makes no sense. Not only that it makes way more sense to grow that airline to reap their perceived benefits, and flow the list to curtail longevity expenses.

Lastly, PSA is guaranteed to exist as at least a 30 acft company until 2023.

This all means nothing because we all know that if we think we have something figured out the airline will do 100% the opposite.[/QUOTE]

Comair comes to mind! I love the word guarantee when it used with airline contracts. BTW you lost your OP.

Has PSA hired the most junior captain for June 2015 yet? I haven't checked how the new hires are doing. Looks like 50+ a month right now starting class.

Is it true that they cancelled the pilots vacation for april or may at psa? heard this out on the line, find this hard to believe.

They canceled March because they had to take too many people offline for training new hires, upgrades, and instructors. Guys are getting vacation months in June, and any money they would have lost since their vacation was canceled like deposits is covered. It still is pathetic in a line pilot's mind, me, because if they had just done the training in January instead of waiting they would have been fine.

The thing is somebody probably had a spreadsheet and at the time or it still is more cost advantageous to do things the way they are being done... Despite how screwed up it may seem. The company is not apparently violating the contract in this regard. They're working it just like year 1 FOs are to get 18 days off.

PSA should be all caught up by April unless Delta and United hire a ton of guys, but then there is like a 6 month backlog to class date at both places, and PSA MGT can control who is released to AA/US soooo they're probably rather confident they have a good feel on attrition. A few guys may go to JetBlue or Spirit. They are also bringing a 4th simulator online(2 CVG, 1 CLT) in the US training center in CLT in a bay previously occupied by a 737 Sim.

Errrrr..I think I missed something, but yeah, I agree. That's why I suggested Xjt. We have a DFW base on the CRJ side of the house :o

This can't be a serious question

So, does this mean "mainline" will be flying DFW to Waco & DFW to Texarkana, etc?

Think again.....the RJ model is here to stay.

I quoted you because I agreed with you. XJT or AE is where I'd apply if I lived in Dallas.

Oops :D. I'm trying to be less stupider, but we all know it's hard to fix stupid.

Just because no one else is willing to fly great lakes' routes doesn't mean that GLA will stick around. Something's got to give, and the RJ operators better pay up otherwise they'll have a hard time filling seats.

That's already begun...

If the planes fly whether they are empty or full how is lakes not going to be around?Isn't the goverment throwing away tax payers money to have service to their city and it doesn't matter if the plane has passengers or not? I thought thats what an EAS route was....

Your right there will always be RJ's. Be it in the air or in the desert, there will always be RJ's. There might just be a lot less in operation. Regionals will shrink, people will go back to driving the 2,3, or 4 hours to the airport that they used to. And eventually mainline could stabilize as more rules and regulations evolve.

You are correct on the EAS part and the airplanes flying empty without passengers part. But last I checked, airplanes don't fly empty without pilots.

You must have a DUI or some violations on your record if you are seriously considering these two bottom feeder airlines. Everyone...EVERYONE is hiring right now! Go to a place that has a good contract in place and do your time to upgrade or move to a major.

Did you read this thread at all?

"Do your time to upgrade"? What does that even mean? You think sitting in the right seat for 8 years is acceptable because you are "doing your time"?

Movement is coming everywhere. Don't go to PSA for hopes of quick upgrade and flow

Nowhere will see the rapid movement of PSA/Mesa/Compass in the next 24 months....Nowhere.

Keep telling new pilots to go to XJT and sit right seat for the next decade though....Solid advice.

Starting to feel very sorry for you. *** are you talking about?

You don't have to stay where you are and keep lying to yourself. If you are unhappy that others are moving up and you are not, pick yourself up and go somewhere that has movement and a rapid future. Stop trying to justify your own crisis. We all make bad decisions and have multiple operators on our resumes.......don't stay somewhere for the sake of being "dead right"........move on youngster!!

It's already happening, one example is DFW-DRT they dropped last year. The Del Rio city council just told everybody to drive to SAT, end of story. I wouldn't be surprised to see more routes like DFW - Waco, DFW -Texarkana disappear too. If I wear coming from Waco I would rather drive my truck anyway I think its like 90 minutes to DFW, might even beat the RJ door to door.

I'm not a youngster. I've been at this for awhile. I've lived through no movement periods across the industry as have many. I've seen guys get burned hard by chasing upgrades. I could have chased the upgrade, I stuck through it and ended up much better than they did. I'm in a fantastic position for the future. Others I know who went to GoJet or Republic are in the exact same position, just had a lot worse quality of life because they started over. Pay wasn't that much of a difference usually better for me. Quality of life is huge though especially if you have a family.

There have constantly been flavors of the week in this industry. Republic, Mesa, Mesa again, Colgan, etc. It's just like a gold rush if you are leaving to join in after the announcement of discovery of gold than you are too late! Regionals are the same way. The place to be today isn't going to be the place to be tomorrow.

You on the other hand were asking all kinds of questions about how to get hired on at a regional. So who is youngster?

The senior FOs at PSA now will be the only ones who truly benefit from the TA. Guys hired now won't see much benefit considering the movement coming to the entire industry because of mainline retirements.

No one is going to sit right seat for a decade at any regional. The numbers prove that.

The only ones that will truly benefit from PSA selling out are the senior FOs close to upgrade