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Originally Posted by pagey
(Post 1603932)
Nowhere will see the rapid movement of PSA/Mesa/Compass in the next 24 months....Nowhere.
Keep telling new pilots to go to XJT and sit right seat for the next decade though....Solid advice. |
Originally Posted by PurdueFlyer
(Post 1604011)
No one is going to sit right seat for a decade at any regional. The numbers prove that.
The only ones that will truly benefit from PSA selling out are the senior FOs close to upgrade Are you really telling me that someone hired at XJT today upgrades and holds a line before someone hired today at PSA/Mesa/Compass? And also that person at XJT, with no turbine time has a better chance at a major than the person at those previous 3 with a couple years TPIC under their belt? Yes, FOs are getting hired at majors. You are doing a disservice to a perspective new hire to tell them that TPIC won't matter however. |
Originally Posted by pagey
(Post 1604042)
Those numbers don't really ramp up until 2018. That's 4 years from now.
Are you really telling me that someone hired at XJT today upgrades and holds a line before someone hired today at PSA/Mesa/Compass? And also that person at XJT, with no turbine time has a better chance at a major than the person at those previous 3 with a couple years TPIC under their belt? Yes, FOs are getting hired at majors. You are doing a disservice to a perspective new hire to tell them that TPIC won't matter however. That's just age 65 and that assumes all those pilot make it and/or choose to stay that long. There will be a lot of pilots required at other places too like the LCCs. Any benefit for PSA will be extremely short lived. You are doing a huge disservice by spouting utter nonsense like "you will get stuck a decade if you go to a place like ExpressJet." That is utter nonsense. Over 22,000 retirements from the legacies in ten years, that is more pilots than currently exist at the regional level. You are also assuming that your company will be able to sustain hiring. You have a training bubble now that has delayed your preferential interviews until the end of the year. If you don't lose another check airman then maybe you'll catch up, but you'll lose those guys to the legacies just like every regional carrier currently is. There is also finite simulator space available around the nation. It is almost a given that you will lose your CRJ-200 fleet due to factors like this and the lack of new hires available industry wise. What does that do to your upgrade times? The only reason you are selling PSA so hard is you need to sucker people into signing up to protect your projected upgrade time. Otherwise you actually have to live under your contract. |
Originally Posted by PurdueFlyer
(Post 1604011)
No one is going to sit right seat for a decade at any regional. The numbers prove that.
The only ones that will truly benefit from PSA selling out are the senior FOs close to upgrade |
Originally Posted by PurdueFlyer
(Post 1604008)
I'm not a youngster. I've been at this for awhile. I've lived through no movement periods across the industry as have many. I've seen guys get burned hard by chasing upgrades. I could have chased the upgrade, I stuck through it and ended up much better than they did. I'm in a fantastic position for the future. Others I know who went to GoJet or Republic are in the exact same position, just had a lot worse quality of life because they started over. Pay wasn't that much of a difference usually better for me. Quality of life is huge though especially if you have a family.
There have constantly been flavors of the week in this industry. Republic, Mesa, Mesa again, Colgan, etc. It's just like a gold rush if you are leaving to join in after the announcement of discovery of gold than you are too late! Regionals are the same way. The place to be today isn't going to be the place to be tomorrow. You on the other hand were asking all kinds of questions about how to get hired on at a regional. So who is youngster? The senior FOs at PSA now will be the only ones who truly benefit from the TA. Guys hired now won't see much benefit considering the movement coming to the entire industry because of mainline retirements. 1,000 TPIC? NO 121 Check Airman? NO Keep dreaming Junior! |
Originally Posted by SimJumpSeat
(Post 1604095)
Are you a captain? NO
1,000 TPIC? NO 121 Check Airman? NO Keep dreaming Junior! Best of luck to you in your endeavors. |
Originally Posted by SimJumpSeat
(Post 1604095)
Are you a captain? NO
1,000 TPIC? NO 121 Check Airman? NO Keep dreaming Junior! |
Originally Posted by PurdueFlyer
(Post 1604067)
The only reason you are selling PSA so hard is you need to sucker people into signing up to protect your projected upgrade time. Otherwise you actually have to live under your contract.
We have been hiring 40/month since December. I have no problem living under my contract as, again, it's not all that bad. |
To to the original poster:
Go to Gojet. PSA is the new turd in the regional industry. Their vote says all you need to know about the pilot group. |
You are right, my apologies! I'll sum up my reason for being condescending.....
This is the first time in history that a gap exists between "daddy" paying the tuition and landing a flying job......seems to be where this generation is getting lost in the weeds. Stop whining and do whatever it takes to make your dream happen. Be a man and get the job done!! The End |
Originally Posted by 450knotOffice
(Post 1604250)
You really should read all of your posts since you got here just two months ago. The first few were fine, and then you took on this persona of "son, I know better than all of you naysayers". Really, man. Re-read your posts. Most come across as quite condescending, especially for someone who doesn't seem to actually work at any regional right now. I take it you may have worked at AE for a while in the past, however. but it doesn't seem it was for long.
Best of luck to you in your endeavors. You are right, my apologies! I'll sum up my reason for being condescending..... This is the first time in history that a gap exists between "daddy" paying the tuition and landing a flying job......seems to be where this generation is getting lost in the weeds. Stop whining and do whatever it takes to make your dream happen. Be a man and get the job done!! The End |
Originally Posted by flightmedic01
(Post 1602932)
Hmmm. Root canal or Colonoscopy?!?
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Originally Posted by SimJumpSeat
(Post 1604549)
You are right, my apologies! I'll sum up my reason for being condescending.....
This is the first time in history that a gap exists between "daddy" paying the tuition and landing a flying job......seems to be where this generation is getting lost in the weeds. Stop whining and do whatever it takes to make your dream happen. Be a man and get the job done!! The End I mean this with all sincerity. Almost without exception, the pilots I have flown with over the past 23 years within airline cockpits have been people that I consider super laid back, easy going, yet focused and disciplined when when required - in short, people that I have enjoyed being around. Your internet persona does not come across as that guy. I realize, however, that people frequently take on a different persona online than they really are in their real lives. Again, best wishes to you and your long term goals. :) |
Originally Posted by 450knotOffice
(Post 1604667)
Ok, well, great. I get it. However, I truly hope that the condescension you (maybe unintentionally) portray on these boards doesn't manifest itself in your real life, because if it does, you will have a difficult time actually landing a "dream" job. Probably the biggest thing the airline interviewers look for during their face to face with a pilot is "Can our crews get along with this man/woman for 3 to 4 days at a stretch. Will he/she work well with us?"
I mean this with all sincerity. Almost without exception, the pilots I have flown with over the past 23 years within airline cockpits have been people that I consider super laid back, easy going, yet focused and disciplined when when required - in short, people that I have enjoyed being around. Your internet persona does not come across as that guy. I realize, however, that people frequently take on a different persona online than they really are in their real lives. Again, best wishes to you and your long term goals. :) Regarding my attitude, I apologize to anyone offended. My goal on this forum was to get information that I needed and to pass along any tips that may be useful to someone that I had to learn the hard way. I tried not to get caught up in the "bashing" on this site, but I failed.... To clarify my input to ANYONE who wants to go from zero hours or anywhere in between to a "dream legacy" job......here's my two cents. 1. Get the TPIC any way you can. 2. Get the 121 glass time (turboprop or jet). 3. Don't forget that there are many people who would love to be sitting where you are.....even at a regional with a crappy contract....haha So, don't forget about the FAs, ground handlers, bus drivers, etc. that you interact with every day. You may inspire one of them. 4. If you are young enough with no wife and kid, maybe you can sacrifice QOL, good contracts, and pay to get the TPIC......many of us have slept in our cars in years past. 5. If you ever need help, ask. 6. Keep your record clean.....driving & flying.....minimize the pink slips. Good luck, I'm out... |
Originally Posted by pagey
(Post 1603015)
Why? Because he gets to sign the release? It takes 4-6 years at captain pay to make more than an FO at PSA, in which time that FO will have upgraded and make significantly more than said Gulfst.....Silver captain.
Let me ask you all this: Silver Airways used to be a "pay to play" operation. Now, those days are decidedly behind them by what? 4 years? 5 years? Why is Silver ok to work at and GoJet not when the whole GoJet fiasco happened 10 years ago? GoJet is just another regional now, the same way Silver is just another regional. The original cadre at GoJet are scumbags for sure don't get me wrong. It is not the same place anymore though. You people are taking away from my Titanfall time. Did I like my time at GoJet? Nope. Hated it. I used it as a stepping stone and it served its purpose. |
Originally Posted by Swedish Blender
(Post 1604271)
So...where do you work?
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Originally Posted by pagey
(Post 1603015)
Why? Because he gets to sign the release? It takes 4-6 years at captain pay to make more than an FO at PSA, in which time that FO will have upgraded and make significantly more than said Gulfst.....Silver captain.
Let me ask you all this: Silver Airways used to be a "pay to play" operation. Now, those days are decidedly behind them by what? 4 years? 5 years? Why is Silver ok to work at and GoJet not when the whole GoJet fiasco happened 10 years ago? GoJet is just another regional now, the same way Silver is just another regional. The original cadre at GoJet are scumbags for sure don't get me wrong. It is not the same place anymore though. You people are taking away from my Titanfall time. Did I like my time at GoJet? Nope. Hated it. I used it as a stepping stone and it served its purpose. The initial cadre at gojet were used to whipsaw TSA and to sidestep their contract as well as AAs scope clause. These are rather unscrupulous beginnings. Were there some guys who got a raw deal there? Sure. It doesn't change what the airline was created to do, and what the initial pilots enabled. Now, that is well in the past and should no longer be a factor. Good talk. |
I don't take pills. I take whiskey with a splash of coke.
You called the initial pilots scumbags. The people at TSA were screwed by their MEC (Dario). G7 was going to be created to get around AA scope period. Not to whipsaw anyone. Uncle Hulas gave TSA the opportunity to fly those planes (no pay increase however for the larger frame) they said "No" They should have voted yes to get the flying then work on the pay later IMO. But they'd rather blame someone else rather than look in the mirror. But, I digress. |
The intial cadre of pilots were scumbags. You have no idea what you're talking about. People love to pontificate about standing up for the profession and not lowering the bar and then when the pilots do and get shafted for it "it's their fault." Please... Dario was a hardass but and he made some mistakes but that doesn't excuse what the company did. The separate certificates didn't need to be separate seniority lists. Gojet was created from the hard work of TSA employees. For the company to turn around and create a separate list was a spit in the face and shame on the initial cadre of pilots that enabled that to happen. It's been long enough that I've mostly let it go with guys that are going there now but the original pilots that start it will always be A holes. They must have really brainwashed the hell out of you for you to defend them.
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You see it your way & I see it mine. I DO know what I'm talking about. I was there.
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
(Post 1605787)
DFW Flightsafety. Quit AE because of Flowbacks.
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Originally Posted by pause
(Post 1605989)
I don't take pills. I take whiskey with a splash of coke.
You called the initial pilots scumbags. The people at TSA were screwed by their MEC (Dario). G7 was going to be created to get around AA scope period. Not to whipsaw anyone. Uncle Hulas gave TSA the opportunity to fly those planes (no pay increase however for the larger frame) they said "No" They should have voted yes to get the flying then work on the pay later IMO. But they'd rather blame someone else rather than look in the mirror. But, I digress. |
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They would still be flying under that same crappy contract now being paid less than GoJet pilots are making now. How do you agree to take the flying with a new contract extension 'then work on the pay later?' They'd still be trying to get a contract. Thankfully the pilots who think their jobs aren't worth a decent salary took care of that.[/QUOTE] While not improbable that is pure speculation on your part stating they wouldn't have gotten a contract. |
Originally Posted by SimJumpSeat
(Post 1605014)
To anyone who is interested.....
Regarding my attitude, I apologize to anyone offended. My goal on this forum was to get information that I needed and to pass along any tips that may be useful to someone that I had to learn the hard way. I tried not to get caught up in the "bashing" on this site, but I failed.... To clarify my input to ANYONE who wants to go from zero hours or anywhere in between to a "dream legacy" job......here's my two cents. 1. Get the TPIC any way you can. 2. Get the 121 glass time (turboprop or jet). 3. Don't forget that there are many people who would love to be sitting where you are.....even at a regional with a crappy contract....haha So, don't forget about the FAs, ground handlers, bus drivers, etc. that you interact with every day. You may inspire one of them. 4. If you are young enough with no wife and kid, maybe you can sacrifice QOL, good contracts, and pay to get the TPIC......many of us have slept in our cars in years past. 5. If you ever need help, ask. 6. Keep your record clean.....driving & flying.....minimize the pink slips. Good luck, I'm out... |
Originally Posted by Moonwolf
(Post 1606133)
You are terrible at giving advice.
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They would still be flying under that same crappy contract now being paid less than GoJet pilots are making now. How do you agree to take the flying with a new contract extension 'then work on the pay later?' They'd still be trying to get a contract. Thankfully the pilots who think their jobs aren't worth a decent salary took care of that.[/QUOTE]
While not improbable that is pure speculation on your part stating they wouldn't have gotten a contract.[/QUOTE] Okay, that was 2005 and they wanted a 4-6 year contract extension (at the lower rates)...makes it 2011...plus negotiations for another 6 years (current regional negotiation average for those who don't take concessions)...makes it 2017 at best before a new contract that probably wouldn't be as good as the one they have now. That would have stretched the 2001 contract to over 15 years. |
Originally Posted by pause
(Post 1606045)
You see it your way & I see it mine. I DO know what I'm talking about. I was there.
Were you one of the original batch of "sellouts"? |
Paid2fly,
Sellout? Nope. There was a job opening. I interviewed and was hired. I obtained my 1,000 pic time then left. Yes luck & good timing were on my side & I'm grateful I am no longer employed by Hulas holdings. It served it's purpose. If I were looking for a career regional I would have applied for Skywest. |
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