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Originally Posted by pagey (Post 1603932)

Nowhere will see the rapid movement of PSA/Mesa/Compass in the next 24 months....Nowhere.

Keep telling new pilots to go to XJT and sit right seat for the next decade though....Solid advice.

You're not going to need PIC to get on with a major in a few years. Waiting out the years at a regional at a good company is preferable than going to a company with terrible work rules and terrible company culture. Add that to the fact that these places are hated by the rest of the pilot community and I'd rather wait out my time with good work rules at a place like XJT or Skywest even with the upgrade times.

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Originally Posted by PurdueFlyer (Post 1604011)

No one is going to sit right seat for a decade at any regional. The numbers prove that.

The only ones that will truly benefit from PSA selling out are the senior FOs close to upgrade

Those numbers don't really ramp up until 2018. That's 4 years from now.

Are you really telling me that someone hired at XJT today upgrades and holds a line before someone hired today at PSA/Mesa/Compass?

And also that person at XJT, with no turbine time has a better chance at a major than the person at those previous 3 with a couple years TPIC under their belt?

Yes, FOs are getting hired at majors. You are doing a disservice to a perspective new hire to tell them that TPIC won't matter however.

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Originally Posted by pagey (Post 1604042)

It'll be over 5,000 at a MINIMUM in 4 years. Over 7,000 at a minimum in 5 years.

That's just age 65 and that assumes all those pilot make it and/or choose to stay that long. There will be a lot of pilots required at other places too like the LCCs.

Any benefit for PSA will be extremely short lived. You are doing a huge disservice by spouting utter nonsense like "you will get stuck a decade if you go to a place like ExpressJet." That is utter nonsense. Over 22,000 retirements from the legacies in ten years, that is more pilots than currently exist at the regional level.

You are also assuming that your company will be able to sustain hiring. You have a training bubble now that has delayed your preferential interviews until the end of the year.

If you don't lose another check airman then maybe you'll catch up, but you'll lose those guys to the legacies just like every regional carrier currently is.

There is also finite simulator space available around the nation.

It is almost a given that you will lose your CRJ-200 fleet due to factors like this and the lack of new hires available industry wise. What does that do to your upgrade times?

The only reason you are selling PSA so hard is you need to sucker people into signing up to protect your projected upgrade time. Otherwise you actually have to live under your contract.

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Originally Posted by PurdueFlyer (Post 1604011)

No one is going to sit right seat for a decade at any regional. The numbers prove that.

The only ones that will truly benefit from PSA selling out are the senior FOs close to upgrade

That's probably true. But the biggest advocates of voting no were the junior captains and senior FOs. We probably had the least to lose since most of us will be out of here in 3-4 years at most. Career guys wanted more security and junior FOs wanted movement plus quicker upgrade. It's a general statement of course. I know a couple of 20 year plus guys that were heck no against giving anything back even if it means shutting the place down. More respect to them.

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Originally Posted by PurdueFlyer (Post 1604008)

I'm not a youngster. I've been at this for awhile. I've lived through no movement periods across the industry as have many. I've seen guys get burned hard by chasing upgrades. I could have chased the upgrade, I stuck through it and ended up much better than they did. I'm in a fantastic position for the future. Others I know who went to GoJet or Republic are in the exact same position, just had a lot worse quality of life because they started over. Pay wasn't that much of a difference usually better for me. Quality of life is huge though especially if you have a family.

There have constantly been flavors of the week in this industry. Republic, Mesa, Mesa again, Colgan, etc. It's just like a gold rush if you are leaving to join in after the announcement of discovery of gold than you are too late! Regionals are the same way. The place to be today isn't going to be the place to be tomorrow.

You on the other hand were asking all kinds of questions about how to get hired on at a regional. So who is youngster?

The senior FOs at PSA now will be the only ones who truly benefit from the TA. Guys hired now won't see much benefit considering the movement coming to the entire industry because of mainline retirements.

Are you a captain? NO

1,000 TPIC? NO

121 Check Airman? NO

Keep dreaming Junior!

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Originally Posted by SimJumpSeat (Post 1604095)

Are you a captain? NO

1,000 TPIC? NO

121 Check Airman? NO

Keep dreaming Junior!

You really should read all of your posts since you got here just two months ago. The first few were fine, and then you took on this persona of "son, I know better than all of you naysayers". Really, man. Re-read your posts. Most come across as quite condescending, especially for someone who doesn't seem to actually work at any regional right now. I take it you may have worked at AE for a while in the past, however. but it doesn't seem it was for long.

Best of luck to you in your endeavors.

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Originally Posted by SimJumpSeat (Post 1604095)

Are you a captain? NO

1,000 TPIC? NO

121 Check Airman? NO

Keep dreaming Junior!

So...where do you work?

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Originally Posted by PurdueFlyer (Post 1604067)

The only reason you are selling PSA so hard is you need to sucker people into signing up to protect your projected upgrade time. Otherwise you actually have to live under your contract.

I have on multiple times mentioned Mesa and Compass as a good place to go for movement as well.

We have been hiring 40/month since December.

I have no problem living under my contract as, again, it's not all that bad.

To to the original poster:

Go to Gojet. PSA is the new turd in the regional industry. Their vote says all you need to know about the pilot group.

You are right, my apologies! I'll sum up my reason for being condescending.....

This is the first time in history that a gap exists between "daddy" paying the tuition and landing a flying job......seems to be where this generation is getting lost in the weeds. Stop whining and do whatever it takes to make your dream happen. Be a man and get the job done!! The End