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Freedom2 12-21-2014 10:04 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1787968)
Exactly. CRM is overrated. Why not just put a monkey in the right seat to hold charts and pick bed bugs out of your hair. Also, being able to read and WRITE in English is also overrated.

G J would never waste money paying for a monkey when it can put a pilot in there at half the cost. Monkeys require government inspections and compliance with ethical treatment of animals; pilots, not so much. When the monkey is sick he can't fly, the G J pilot had better work in spite of his serious illness or he will be fired. Monkey food is expensive, pilots will fly for peanuts or have to buy their own food. With monkeys G J has to pay the entire cost of health care; the pilot will pay 5000 out of his $19000 yearly pay plus another 3000+ for deductable. The monkey won't pay for his own uniform; the G J pilot will pay most of his own. The monkey requires money for housing; the G J pilot will get a second job or borrow from his family to subsidize his housing cost. The costs for the monkey are there even if snow cancels a couple days of flying; the G J pilot works without cancelation pay. The G J pilot will pay 300 a year for his family to sit standby for 3 days trying to get on a flight. The monkey requires less retraining than the G J pilot.

FaceBiter 12-21-2014 10:14 PM


Originally Posted by Blackwing (Post 1788106)
I think you're making some pretty hefty assumptions here and thus, I find your estimates suspect.

Talk to your boy prior121.

FaceBiter 12-21-2014 11:37 PM


Originally Posted by RB211 (Post 1787961)
If you went to ALL ATPS and did well there in the fast pace environment

I don't know how I missed this one.

ATP Flight School is a giant joke, true story. This game would be far better off without them.

Pilottim79 12-22-2014 05:15 AM


Originally Posted by FaceBiter (Post 1788114)
I don't know how I missed this one.

ATP Flight School is a giant joke, true story. This game would be far better off without them.

My flight school wouldn't hire ATP students as instructors. Yet regionals? I guess when the fountain is dry.

CBreezy 12-22-2014 05:34 AM


Originally Posted by Pilottim79 (Post 1788146)
My flight school wouldn't hire ATP students as instructors. Yet regionals? I guess when the fountain is dry.

I agree that ATP is a complete con and a giant disservice to professional aviation. I could go on rant after rant on how it does very little to prepare its students for anything other than the absolute minimum standard. I'm not even going to get into the wonderful indentured servitude program they offer.

On the other hand, to completely deny any candidate primarily because they went to ATP without evaluating their personal knowledge and abilities is petty. I know a few guys who went there. After talking with and flying with them, it was clear that they were very intelligent and obviously studied hard on their own because they were better than many of the CFI Univeristy (ERAU) instructors that I'd flown with.

Einstein2014 12-22-2014 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by MartinC08 (Post 1786466)
I'm trying to decided between Mesa and Gojet. Here's my situation.

I can move wherever I want. I'm single.
I do not care about upgrade time.
I prefer west coast flying.

The kicker. I didn't take my ATP written. I've enrolled in Aerosims ground school next month, which I paid 5K for. Gojet just announced they are offering the course. With a 5k bonus.

Would it be a better choice to get a refund (5k in my pocket) or just go to Mesa?

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