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Realtalk 01-09-2016 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by ImissXJ (Post 2043387)
Compass pilots.

They didn't even provide hotels at one point. Talk about desperate pilots

CBreezy 01-09-2016 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by Realtalk (Post 2043418)
They didn't even provide hotels at one point. Talk about desperate pilots

Must be nice to live only in the present. XJT, along with other regionals, used to have pay to play. And this means a whole lot coming from a GoJet thread....

404yxl 01-09-2016 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by Realtalk (Post 2043418)
They didn't even provide hotels at one point. Talk about desperate pilots

Since most of the pilots that had to experience the "no hotel" Compass either are at Delta or upgraded already, I think they made out quite nice.

Nantonaku 01-09-2016 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by Dhood84 (Post 2042997)
Maybe, maybe not. The regional crystal ball is always fuzzy, no matter the market.

DH

True but why do you need a crystal ball to tell you that GoJet should be at the bottom of the list of Regionals to work at? It has always been and still is very clear that there are very few reasons you'd want to put GoJet on your resume. Yes, it can work out but why risk it? Especially now where candidates have their pick of airlines, with much higher pay, better QOL and just as quick upgrades.

Horia 01-09-2016 10:46 AM

[QUOTE=FirstClass;2043371]Omg is that a serious question? What pilot would accept that?[/QUOTE


It's a serious question....Anybody have the answer on how HOTAC is handled during training?

JetRage 01-09-2016 01:24 PM

I know some of yall are not going to listen to me but I'm going to say it anyway. Do not come here!

I don't know what it is with people that when you say "look, there is a dumpster that is on fire!" for some reason people feel the need to go check it out for themselves. Trust me, it's a dumpster...and it's on fire...you don't need to see it for yourself.

I didn't believe this place could be as bad as I was told. I live in one of the bases and it got me out of flight school. Now after fighting for my pay month after month, taking some of the most ridiculous check-rides I've ever seen and getting thrown under the bus every time something unusual happens before the facts are even known I'm getting out, and hopefully soon. It's criminal the way this company treats its people in department.

Nice crews though. Legitimately nice folks in my base.

BobJenkins 01-09-2016 01:29 PM

I can't remember for sure which, but I seem to recall either XJet or Envoy has double occupancy during training.


Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 2043371)
Omg is that a serious question? What pilot would accept that?


404yxl 01-09-2016 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by JetRage (Post 2043647)
I know some of yall are not going to listen to me but I'm going to say it anyway. Do not come here!

I don't know what it is with people that when you say "look, there is a dumpster that is on fire!" for some reason people feel the need to go check it out for themselves. Trust me, it's a dumpster...and it's on fire...you don't need to see it for yourself.

I didn't believe this place could be as bad as I was told. I live in one of the bases and it got me out of flight school. Now after fighting for my pay month after month, taking some of the most ridiculous check-rides I've ever seen and getting thrown under the bus every time something unusual happens before the facts are even known I'm getting out, and hopefully soon. It's criminal the way this company treats its people in department.

Nice crews though. Legitimately nice folks in my base.

Again, would you really expect anything else from a company that was formed to subvert the TSA pilots in 70-seat payrates and staffed with TSA pilots out of seniority?

It's good you are giving people the truth, but I'm never shocked to see people who go there thinking somehow it will be a great place to work.

WesternSkies 01-09-2016 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by JetRage (Post 2043647)

Nice crews though. Legitimately nice folks in my base.

Band of Brothers syndrome - a hallmark of a poor place to hang your hat.

Avroman 01-09-2016 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2042647)
I'm not known to defend GoJet, but you have no clue what a private company's CPA says and what its associated penalties are. Delta can't just yank the flying if it would be in violation of the CPA and would open themselves up to millions of dollars in lawsuits.

Perhaps, but all of the DCI carriers have to show their performance numbers, and there is a target number given as part of those charts. GoJet is consistently well below those targets. Odds are very good that contractual targets aren't far off from those shown on the charts. Look at Republic now being sued by Delta for poor performance in violation of their CPA.

CBreezy 01-09-2016 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 2043694)
Perhaps, but all of the DCI carriers have to show their performance numbers, and there is a target number given as part of those charts. GoJet is consistently well below those targets. Odds are very good that contractual targets aren't far off from those shown on the charts. Look at Republic now being sued by Delta for poor performance in violation of their CPA.

And yet, Delta just gave them more flying. It sounds your uninformed opinion is surprisingly incorrect.

FirstClass 01-09-2016 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by BobJenkins (Post 2043649)
I can't remember for sure which, but I seem to recall either XJet or Envoy has double occupancy during training.

What happens when there is an odd number of females in the class? Do they put the three females together or does a male and female get matched up in the same room? Do men sleep in the same bed together to save money or does the company chip in a few extra dollars for two beds?

Serious questions thanks.
Jen

Dhood84 01-09-2016 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 2043499)
True but why do you need a crystal ball to tell you that GoJet should be at the bottom of the list of Regionals to work at? It has always been and still is very clear that there are very few reasons you'd want to put GoJet on your resume. Yes, it can work out but why risk it? Especially now where candidates have their pick of airlines, with much higher pay, better QOL and just as quick upgrades.

I work here so you're preaching to the choir.

DH

Riverside 01-09-2016 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by Dhood84 (Post 2043731)
I work here so you're preaching to the choir.

DH

How's the first couple of months at blowjets been treating you?

Dhood84 01-09-2016 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by Riverside (Post 2043750)
How's the first couple of months at blowjets been treating you?

I think it's a rhetorical question. I do enjoy the people I work with everyday and that takes the sting off. Lufthansa is a nightmare, let's not sugar coat it.

DH

FaceBiter 01-09-2016 05:06 PM

What kind of life decisions does one have to make for blowjet be the most attractive option?

BobJenkins 01-09-2016 05:12 PM

Never mind, not worth the bandwidth it would waste.


Originally Posted by FaceBiter (Post 2043756)
What kind of life decisions does one have to make for blowjet be the most attractive option?


FaceBiter 01-09-2016 05:14 PM

C'mon Bobby. Let me have it.

fastback 01-09-2016 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 2043701)
Do men sleep in the same bed together to save money or does the company chip in a few extra dollars for two beds?

Maybe, but I don't think we're supposed to ask. #ManPile

Farmlover 01-09-2016 06:15 PM

Watch "Airline pilot life, Ladies and Gentlemen this is your Captain speaking" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/mXbBbarfKPQ


If we get hired as a capt can we be like this guy?

trip 01-09-2016 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by Farmlover (Post 2043801)
Watch "Airline pilot life, Ladies and Gentlemen this is your Captain speaking" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/mXbBbarfKPQ


If we get hired as a capt can we be like this guy?

WOW!!! And his sidekick needs a kick in the jimmy for playing along.

FaceBiter 01-09-2016 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by Farmlover (Post 2043801)
Watch "Airline pilot life, Ladies and Gentlemen this is your Captain speaking" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/mXbBbarfKPQ


If we get hired as a capt can we be like this guy?

Ho Le fook. Where's the guys comparing becoming a pilot to a doctor?

ThreeStripe 01-09-2016 08:51 PM


Originally Posted by Farmlover (Post 2043801)
Watch "Airline pilot life, Ladies and Gentlemen this is your Captain speaking" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/mXbBbarfKPQ


If we get hired as a capt can we be like this guy?

Another giant leap forward in the quest to be treated and paid like professionals. Thanks a lot captain dork.

SMACFUM 01-09-2016 09:51 PM


Originally Posted by Farmlover (Post 2043801)
Watch "Airline pilot life, Ladies and Gentlemen this is your Captain speaking" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/mXbBbarfKPQ


If we get hired as a capt can we be like this guy?

Holy crap......what a dooooosssshhhhh.

This vid deserves its own thread

MrStl 01-09-2016 10:05 PM


Originally Posted by Farmlover (Post 2043801)
Watch "Airline pilot life, Ladies and Gentlemen this is your Captain speaking" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/mXbBbarfKPQ


If we get hired as a capt can we be like this guy?

Leave the guy alone, it was a Colorado layover and it's legal there. Are the gang signs Crips or Bloods? Opps, I looked it up, that's the Latin Kings. My family leans more on the Crips side of things so I think it might be best if I stayed away from Gojet.

At Gojet does everyone have the shoes with the wheels on them?

I noticed on their announcement about street captains they require that 100% of your flight time be in fixed wing. I'm glad I didn't take that 20 minute helicopter lesson.

tim123 01-10-2016 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2042647)
I'm not known to defend GoJet, but you have no clue what a private company's CPA says and what its associated penalties are. Delta can't just yank the flying if it would be in violation of the CPA and would open themselves up to millions of dollars in lawsuits.

So Delta can't yank the flying because it would be a violation of the CPA?Since you are using the CPA to justify you statement,why can't Delta use your dismal performance against listed targets that are in the CPA to justify their position if they wanted to yank flying?

CBreezy 01-10-2016 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by tim123 (Post 2044057)
So Delta can't yank the flying because it would be a violation of the CPA?Since you are using the CPA to justify you statement,why can't Delta use your dismal performance against listed targets that are in the CPA to justify their position if they wanted to yank flying?

First off, I don't work at glow jets. Never would i.

Second, your misunderstanding of contract law is astounding. You can't just break the contract because of some subjective level of performance. I'm sure there is a level at which Delta could terminate the agreement but you can bet there would be a hefty fee for ending the CPA early. Those agreements have language that protect both the mainline buyer and the FFD supplier. You can't just say, "you're not doing great, I'm taking the airplanes back and not paying you." That's a breach of contract. Mainline reserves the right to not renew the CPA, but they literally just have Gojet ANOTHER cpa. That tells me they must not be that unhappy with the product. Not enough to pay GOJET x million dollars to buy out the existing contract.

Against listed targets? On the UA side at TSA, those listed targets give the airlines performance bonuses. We get a bonus when we surpass those targets. At some level, TSA has to pay penalties but we haven't been threatened with that in a few years. So, Delta could just pay G7 less if they don't meet targets. These CPAs are very complex documents. Not just, hey, you didn't have a 98% completion factor. I'm not going to pay you anymore.

TogaParty 01-10-2016 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by Farmlover (Post 2043801)
Watch "Airline pilot life, Ladies and Gentlemen this is your Captain speaking" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/mXbBbarfKPQ


If we get hired as a capt can we be like this guy?

This guy is really wearing Heelys.......?
Really.....

aviatormjc 01-10-2016 08:14 AM

I was on the jumpseat home one day with Lee as Captain. He did his whole "fly it like I stole it" speech and got a good reaction from the passengers. Though corny, in the cockpit he is very safe and professional. He is also a very nice guy. I do not work for GoJets.


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hc0fitted 01-10-2016 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by aviatormjc (Post 2044089)
I was on the jumpseat home one day with Lee as Captain. He did his whole "fly it like I stole it" speech and got a good reaction from the passengers. Though corny, in the cockpit he is very safe and professional. He is also a very nice guy. I do not work for GoJets.


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I have been on his aircraft twice , I think he is a nice guy .... He just has way too much Energy

Hawaiiavi8er 01-10-2016 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by Farmlover (Post 2043801)
Watch "Airline pilot life, Ladies and Gentlemen this is your Captain speaking" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/mXbBbarfKPQ


If we get hired as a capt can we be like this guy?

I literally think my iq just dropped from watching this video. Weren't heelys ban in like 1998?

Jenkins1 01-28-2016 09:26 AM

Are the direct-entry captains really going to fly as FO about 50% of the time, or more? How many FO's are on the seniority list? Only GoJet pilots respond please.


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3kids 01-28-2016 12:17 PM

Not a G7 guy but have 2 friends that left XJT for the street captain gig at G7. This program is different than a CQFO because you are truly fully a captain. This means you make captain wages not a blended rate like TSA. As for how much you will fly as a captain they are saying about 50% until the FO staffing comes back around which sounds like they have had some decent size classes.

CBreezy 01-28-2016 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by 3kids (Post 2057543)
Not a G7 guy but have 2 friends that left XJT for the street captain gig at G7. This program is different than a CQFO because you are truly fully a captain. This means you make captain wages not a blended rate like TSA. As for how much you will fly as a captain they are saying about 50% until the FO staffing comes back around which sounds like they have had some decent size classes.

CQFO protects pilots on property. That's why it exists.

3kids 01-28-2016 12:38 PM

I'm not up on this stuff so please educate me on how a cqfo program protects pilots as compared to a street captain position. If they are so short pilots that they are hiring street captains what is to be protected. Basically you upgrade when you have the time because that is the reason they are hiring street captains because they don't have enough internal pilots that are qualified.

CBreezy 01-28-2016 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by 3kids (Post 2057572)
I'm not up on this stuff so please educate me on how a cqfo program protects pilots as compared to a street captain position. If they are so short pilots that they are hiring street captains what is to be protected. Basically you upgrade when you have the time because that is the reason they are hiring street captains because they don't have enough internal pilots that are qualified.

Not necessarily. The company can choose to hire Captains and keep current FOs in the right seat since the is where the shortage exists.

977flyer 01-28-2016 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2057574)
Not necessarily. The company can choose to hire Captains and keep current FOs in the right seat since the is where the shortage exists.

I agree. Hire Street Captains and don't offer upgrade classes to any current and future FO's that have the time. Nothing in the contract prevents this.

Glad I upgrade next month.

sandrich 01-28-2016 09:27 PM

Out of sheer curiosity, these DECs... Where are they getting based?

SMACFUM 01-28-2016 09:40 PM


Originally Posted by 977flyer (Post 2057610)
I agree. Hire Street Captains and don't offer upgrade classes to any current and future FO's that have the time. Nothing in the contract prevents this.

Glad I upgrade next month.

Seriously ?!?! Jesus......

snackysmores 01-28-2016 10:12 PM


Originally Posted by 977flyer (Post 2057610)
I agree. Hire Street Captains and don't offer upgrade classes to any current and future FO's that have the time. Nothing in the contract prevents this.

Glad I upgrade next month.


Ho Lee Fook that is low.


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