Gojet's economics don't appear to be sustainable. They are having to hire guys as FOs and pay them captain wages. They are screwing over FOs which tells all other FOs not to go there. They are paying triple time to fly on days off. Too many pilots have had bad experience with Gojet that the word is out and nobody will go there.

With United not going to renew there contract for 15 of the crj700s there is not enough mass to justify keeping Gojet going. They are now willing to pay this extra money because I believe it is all short term. The CRJs they got from Delta can go to Endeavor or Skywest who can fly them profitably. The other few planes can go back to the leasing company when the leases are up. Gojet can just be wound down. Gojet brought in the guys who did the shutdown of Comair and I think that is what will happen.

I suppose that they could fold Gojet into Compass or TSA but I believe they have given up on Gojet and are merely doing what they must to keep the planes flying until they can negotiate a shutdown schedule with Delta and the leasing companies. They have no long term plan.

The contract with the pilots continues to go nowhere because they don't need it to. They don't need guys long term anymore. What they are doing to the FOs shows they don't care about the future. There is not.

This stuff is not new. Braniff II acted similarly just before they shutdown as did Eastern. Those are my thoughts. I hope I am wrong. Nobody should worry though because the TSA pilots will insist that the Gojet pilots be given jobs there with their Gojet DOH seniority at TSA.

Most guys I talk to want a staple.

WOW! if this is true, it is some pretty pi$$ pore contract language even for G7.

Wow!

And you wonder why GoJet pilots are scum!

That's Blowjet....

What's a staple? Putting them at the bottom of the seniority list?

Yes. Most TSA pilots that were around for the creation of GoJet, where many junior pilots jumped seniority to upgrade and then wanted seniority list integration with TSA, would be happy with putting them at the bottom of the seniority lists. Not saying it would happen but the bitterness is still strong here.

The reason they are hiring street Captains is because there are NOT enough people on the upgrade qualifying list..

People continue to upgrade as they feel they are ready to upgrade & the company is running upgrade classes for as little as 2 to 4 people...

It is not possible to predict how much you will fly as a FO or CA, but you will get paid as a CA from day 1 for everything that you do.
That's the upside..

The down side is you will be on reserve for a very long time as FO's who are senior to you will continue to upgrade & you will be always on reserve..

The plus side of that equation is that you will make a LOT of money..

In today's environment, reserves are minting money, make a lot more than line holders.. The lack of cancellation pay doesn't affect them as Every time the company touches you, you get paid 4 hrs.. even if you are called to the airport & sent back home or you do a Deadhead for 30 mins in one day, it's 4 hrs of pay.. You finish after Midnight, it's next day, 4 hrs of pay...

Now with 300% pay, when you pick a 4 day trip worth 20 hrs, you make $3,900 at year 1 CA pay on the TOP of your guaranty or whatever else you have earned for the month.

If you live in or near any of the bases, you will be golden..

If you have any questions, feel free to ask, I will try to respond as fairly as I can.

Where are the DEC's getting based at?

That'd be against a federal statute.

McCaskill-bond would have to look at the size of both pilot groups, earning potential, career expectations, aircraft size, relative seniority, Etc, etc, etc. to think a staple could ever happen, especially with GoJet having a bigger pilot geoup, is idiotic to put it politely.

I'm not saying it would happen. Just telling people the mood of the old group. Compass and TSA would be an easier move.

No it's not, maybe a few idiot lifers. Most pilots here probably weren't even flying or around when gojet happened. The old gojet guys from 05 are long gone or are lifers in Stl. My view of gojet guys is neutral, if the union wants a merge I'd support it, we need pilots.

I spent most of my FO-hood in the Lou. I'd say the top 2/3 of the seniority list was here for it.

Probably correct but I bet as people start to think about how they might lose seniority in a merger there will be more support for a staple than you might think.

Wrong again Frances. Now the TSA group is larger, and will be around 900 ish by the time we get the last of the UAL aircraft this summer (around 70 total aircraft on property).

Plus if Blowjet starts to lose airplanes due to staffing the likely scenario I've heard is a gradual wind down of the certificate, and giving Blowjet pilots the opportunity to go to other certificates, so McCaskill Bond won't apply....basically a reverse of the TSA scenario...karma is a b@tch, isn't it :D

That's different than a merger. With a merger it has to be fair and equitable. An arbitrator doesn't care about your wittle feewings getting hurt.

Karma? I made over $19k in January. I'm not sure what you mean.

LOL....wrong again so you have to start throwing your checkbook around the table. I hope you are making good money at mainline. Still doesn't mean you weren't an idiot for giving your services away at Blowjet. And unfortunately it appears there aren't enough fools like you running around to fill Gojet classes these days...

What am I wrong about? Seniority list integrations during a merger? I'm going through one.

BTW - If you count per diem and my 401K DC from the company, I'm actually coming in at over $21K for the month.

And I'm an idiot?

My time at GJ got me here.

You're so butthurt it's hysterical. Again, I really hope you like the 145.

Cool. So when I get to mainline I'll make 21K, plus I'll have a nice fat bank account already when I get there because I wasn't stupid to enough to work for peanuts like you. The only one who's butthurt here is you, because to hide your stupidity you have to be all butthurt and defend the indefensible....working at Gojet and giving your services away for NOTHING...

See Gojet idiots like you don't get it. I could care less what I fly, so your little digs about the 145 don't mean squat. All I care about is the paycheck, which is very nice these days.

But not nearly as big as mine. :p.

and it's not a dig at the type of airplane. you haven't figured that out yet? The internet isn't as anonymous as you think...

Ooohh....now you're making threats.....like a give a damn what you or any other Blowjet goober thinks.....

But wait...you life is probably pathetic enough that you go around crew rooms trying to out people on an internet message board LOL...have fun.

Are these DECs going to have to sit right seat ever.? Is this just like the TSA Direct Entry Captain program? I had several friends do the TSA one and they said it was a terrible experience. Even the guys I knew that flew manly left seat hated working for that place.

Haha. I'm not the one with 1,691 APC posts since Oct of 2011.

Hey - When you decide to finally get on with one of the 3 legacies, since I'm sure you are just waiting until the right time to put your stuff in, guess who you'll be junior to if we're lucky enough to have you pick AA? By thousands of numbers...

Well AA is at the bottom of my list...so don't worry....

Well if they thought it was a DEC program then they probably didn't like it because TSA doesn't hire DECs. Only CQFOs.

Ahh I love the Internet.....thanks for the entertainment gentleman, keep it up.

DH

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What's the word on a merger with TSA?