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bernouli 04-10-2016 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 2106675)
Yeah its changed so much the Comair guy they brought in as the DO to "change" the place finally threw his hands up in the air and quit last November and was replaced with a Gojet "company" guy.....

That.....or maybe he got a job offer at southern air cargo and was able to move back to CVG where he's from. Your version is cute though.

Xoxo

BealBadDeal 04-10-2016 07:31 PM

If a FA or a pilot's family member comes down with cancer it may cost the insurer 500,000 in treatment. Most airlines self-insure. To counter that there is one bean counter owner who will have the company give the FA or pilot a checkride that will not be passed. The person is then fired. Of course the company's position is that the termination was because of the failed check ride and not the cost of the cancer treatment.

If you think that the only thing that matters is which has a base close to where you live I believe you should reconsider your priorities. Don't worry about whether the insurance will be there when you need it, go to a respectable airline. Skywest is an airline of integrity.

To give you some examples of airlines without integrity: I was offered a job at Republic, but when the upper management found out about my disability (does not affect me as a pilot) they came up with an excuse to rescind their employment offer. I showed them that their excuse was invalid and they reluctantly made the offer again. I did not go. Another airline called me for an interview. I did not return their call and they called again and spent 45 minutes trying to sell me in going there. I mentioned my disability and suddenly the interview offer became a "send in an application and maybe we will interview you." I pointed out that they already scheduled me for an interview and there was a 15 minute placing me on hold period. Then they came back and gave me the information about the interview and that they would send me the list of required items. I never got the list so I called several times and finally received the email. I called and told them I could not get the items in the 4 days they gave me. They called me back and said that since I would not be able to attend the interview as scheduled they were rescinding the interview offer.

My disability does not affect me as a pilot and is not even visible. These airlines merely think that if the public had pilots like me people might not fly on them despite the fact that many pilots have the same thing.

When your 4 year old comes down with leukemia you don't want to have to tell them that you just lost your job and therefore your insurance. Its not all about the base. Go to the good and respectable airlines.

airflight999 04-10-2016 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by BealBadDeal (Post 2107402)
If a FA or a pilot's family member comes down with cancer it may cost the insurer 500,000 in treatment. Most airlines self-insure. To counter that there is one bean counter owner who will have the company give the FA or pilot a checkride that will not be passed. The person is then fired. Of course the company's position is that the termination was because of the failed check ride and not the cost of the cancer treatment.

If you think that the only thing that matters is which has a base close to where you live I believe you should reconsider your priorities. Don't worry about whether the insurance will be there when you need it, go to a respectable airline. Skywest is an airline of integrity.

To give you some examples of airlines without integrity: I was offered a job at Republic, but when the upper management found out about my disability (does not affect me as a pilot) they came up with an excuse to rescind their employment offer. I showed them that their excuse was invalid and they reluctantly made the offer again. I did not go. Another airline called me for an interview. I did not return their call and they called again and spent 45 minutes trying to sell me in going there. I mentioned my disability and suddenly the interview offer became a "send in an application and maybe we will interview you." I pointed out that they already scheduled me for an interview and there was a 15 minute placing me on hold period. Then they came back and gave me the information about the interview and that they would send me the list of required items. I never got the list so I called several times and finally received the email. I called and told them I could not get the items in the 4 days they gave me. They called me back and said that since I would not be able to attend the interview as scheduled they were rescinding the interview offer.

My disability does not affect me as a pilot and is not even visible. These airlines merely think that if the public had pilots like me people might not fly on them despite the fact that many pilots have the same thing.

When your 4 year old comes down with leukemia you don't want to have to tell them that you just lost your job and therefore your insurance. Its not all about the base. Go to the good and respectable airlines.

I'm sorry to hear that. Disclosing health or psychological issues is a touchy subject, especially on a medical or through HIMS programs. It definitely shouldn't affect ones prospect of employment, however. If anything, it underscores a problem in our profession where if a pilot seeks treatment for a disorder, that immediately puts him or her on a blacklist.

iFlyRC 04-11-2016 05:23 AM

Hmm, Mesa wouldn't care about cancer, because you would be on Obama care regardless!

Papa Bear 04-11-2016 06:11 AM

Trust me the second the economy turns gojet will be singing their old tunes. What side of the fence will you be on.
Do your self a favor and go to a respectable airline. You don't need PICT these days anyways.

MrStl 04-11-2016 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by bernouli (Post 2107132)
That.....or maybe he got a job offer at southern air cargo and was able to move back to CVG where he's from. Your version is cute though.

Xoxo

Or maybe he was just as big a jerk as the owner and the company culture. He fired one guy for bring up a safety concern. Even if the guy was wrong he didn't need to be fired. He didn't help at all and put Gojet in a position where no sane pilot would go there. Gojet is done which is why he left. Six months and they will be out of business. They are "wrapping up" the business right now. My opinion which unfortunately always seems to be right. Of course how hard is it to see that when the captain jumps off the ship the ship might be sinking.

GoJetNoMore 04-11-2016 09:28 PM

I am just incredulous that people would even consider Gojet as a place to go considering the fact that current technology allows others to know what things are like. Its not 2009 when Gojet was the only airline hiring (because of all their firing). In the majors, it Delta offers you a job you go to Delta, period. In the fractional, if Netjets offers you a job you go to Netjets. And, in the regional world, if Skywest offers you a job, you go to Skywest, period. Ok, maybe some minor exceptions but very limited.
When you are at your United interview and you are there with a couple of Eagle guys, a couple of TSA and Gojet guys, a couple of A-10 guys, you won't be feeling like a second class citizen. Some of the guys there won't feel that way.

OneInTheMirror 04-11-2016 10:38 PM


Originally Posted by GoJetNoMore (Post 2108001)
And, in the regional world, if Skywest offers you a job, you go to Skywest, period.

That's a pretty bold statement for a place like this ;)

seekingblue 04-11-2016 11:40 PM


Originally Posted by BealBadDeal (Post 2107402)
If a FA or a pilot's family member comes down with cancer it may cost the insurer 500,000 in treatment. Most airlines self-insure. To counter that there is one bean counter owner who will have the company give the FA or pilot a checkride that will not be passed. The person is then fired. Of course the company's position is that the termination was because of the failed check ride and not the cost of the cancer treatment.

If you think that the only thing that matters is which has a base close to where you live I believe you should reconsider your priorities. Don't worry about whether the insurance will be there when you need it, go to a respectable airline. Skywest is an airline of integrity.

To give you some examples of airlines without integrity: I was offered a job at Republic, but when the upper management found out about my disability (does not affect me as a pilot) they came up with an excuse to rescind their employment offer. I showed them that their excuse was invalid and they reluctantly made the offer again. I did not go. Another airline called me for an interview. I did not return their call and they called again and spent 45 minutes trying to sell me in going there. I mentioned my disability and suddenly the interview offer became a "send in an application and maybe we will interview you." I pointed out that they already scheduled me for an interview and there was a 15 minute placing me on hold period. Then they came back and gave me the information about the interview and that they would send me the list of required items. I never got the list so I called several times and finally received the email. I called and told them I could not get the items in the 4 days they gave me. They called me back and said that since I would not be able to attend the interview as scheduled they were rescinding the interview offer.

My disability does not affect me as a pilot and is not even visible. These airlines merely think that if the public had pilots like me people might not fly on them despite the fact that many pilots have the same thing.

When your 4 year old comes down with leukemia you don't want to have to tell them that you just lost your job and therefore your insurance. Its not all about the base. Go to the good and respectable airlines.


You are beginning to sound like the FO from ILM many years ago.

If you aren't, i'm sorry for calling you out. If you are that person, I'm very happy you got help.

Seeking

seekingblue 04-11-2016 11:47 PM


Originally Posted by GoJetNoMore (Post 2108001)
I am just incredulous that people would even consider Gojet as a place to go considering the fact that current technology allows others to know what things are like. Its not 2009 when Gojet was the only airline hiring (because of all their firing). In the majors, it Delta offers you a job you go to Delta, period. In the fractional, if Netjets offers you a job you go to Netjets. And, in the regional world, if Skywest offers you a job, you go to Skywest, period. Ok, maybe some minor exceptions but very limited.
When you are at your United interview and you are there with a couple of Eagle guys, a couple of TSA and Gojet guys, a couple of A-10 guys, you won't be feeling like a second class citizen. Some of the guys there won't feel that way.

I think you are painting very broad strokes and oversimplifying choices that effect everyone's QOL.

1) I would never even remotely consider Delta

2) Netjets is having problems and lots if folks are jumping ship

3) when I was back in the regional world, I would never have gone to Skywest, because living in base is far more important than going to "the best regional"-- whatever that means.


Also, I know of 8-10 non Jets for job's folks that went from GoJet to United.


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